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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 13:21:39 GMT
TPM had a good summary. Things have moved along a bit since then. BTW the theme of the the libertarians now screeching for bailouts is recurring. It's no shock that one of the biggest brands of American libertarianism collapses when real consequences arise. It's selectively good. If they can profit, it's great but if they're taking losses, please pass the socialism!
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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 13:25:05 GMT
Depositers will be bailed out by the FDIC, which is paid for by the banks and not the taxpayers. The shareholders? It appears the reaction is basically "so sad, too bad."
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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 13:44:22 GMT
Meidas Touch is all over the Republicans on the SVB collapse. First up we have them blaming Democrats because of course they are. Let's flash back, shall we?
To be fair (though I don't really feel the need when it comes to Republicans), the partial repeal of Dodd-Frank was somewhat bipartisan but it was most definitely pushed through with mostly and virtually unanimous Republican support. And the CEO of SVB was one of the major lobbyists pushing for the changes that allowed him to destroy the bank.
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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 13:46:15 GMT
Now let's go to the scorecard, shall we?
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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 13:52:39 GMT
Ron DeSatanist is, of course, all over this blaming "woke" policies for the bank collapse. What in the actual hell? "Woke" policies are the cause of all things bad? Will the next hurricane to hit Florida be "woke?" He's become a parrot.
Michael Steele, who has become sane lately perhaps as an apology to America for being Rush Limbaugh's bitch, speaks a bit of truth.
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Post by indy on Mar 13, 2023 14:23:53 GMT
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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 15:15:28 GMT
I remember seeing an interview with Barney Frank around that time. He said that adjusting the threshold for more stringent banking regulations was reasonable but that the figure put forth by Republicans was way too high. Clearly he was correct.
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Post by goldenvalley on Mar 13, 2023 15:32:53 GMT
I guess when interests rates were low the bank was lending out money for startups that have little income. But when interest rates go up that easy money dries up and the startups still have to pay rent, payroll so they don't deposit money into the bank anymore, leaving the bank short of cash. When other nonstarters see the cash shortage, they start to pull out their money from SVB to make sure they can use it for running their business before the FDIC or some entity shuts down the bank. That's the contagion part.
It does seem like the $250,000 per customer being insured by the FDIC is too low. How many companies that aren't mega sized can spread their money around to a number of different banks? Just keeping track of what is where takes up time that could better be spent somewhere else.
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Post by Bact PhD on Mar 13, 2023 16:02:35 GMT
It does seem like the $250,000 per customer being insured by the FDIC is too low. How many companies that aren't mega sized can spread their money around to a number of different banks? Just keeping track of what is where takes up time that could better be spent somewhere else. IIRC the $250K limit, an increase from $100K, was put in about three decades ago. Why on earth the limit isn’t automatically adjusted, say, every seven years, is beyond me. It isn’t even just companies, startups or otherwise, that are hamstrung—even an individual with relatively high net worth who prefers a fair proportion of liquidity can be in a bind.
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Post by jackd on Mar 13, 2023 16:40:39 GMT
Isn't the announcement stating that depositors will get ALL of their funds? In other words, because of the serious consequences to depositors, the limit isn't being enforced as to them but shareholders and officers of the banks will get no benefits. Sort of the reverse of what happened in 2008 when the banks were bailed out but not the depositors.
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Post by goldenvalley on Mar 13, 2023 16:49:22 GMT
Isn't the announcement stating that depositors will get ALL of their funds? In other words, because of the serious consequences to depositors, the limit isn't being enforced as to them but shareholders and officers of the banks will get no benefits. Sort of the reverse of what happened in 2008 when the banks were bailed out but not the depositors. Yes it is and that's the way it should be. Of course I think the bank execs got some pretty nice cash just before Friday...part of some contractual bonus system I think. Those execs aren't paying any price, maybe the shareholders are. That being said, I still think a $250,000 FDIC coverage is too low. A very small organization I work with transferred money from one bank to another (neither of them SVB) on the fear that the current bank had some sort of entanglement with SVB that could cause their accounts to be locked even briefly. That's how bank failures cause other bank failures...depositors start pulling money out in order to able to access it.
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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 16:49:43 GMT
Isn't the announcement stating that depositors will get ALL of their funds? In other words, because of the serious consequences to depositors, the limit isn't being enforced as to them but shareholders and officers of the banks will get no benefits. Sort of the reverse of what happened in 2008 when the banks were bailed out but not the depositors. Yes, all funds to all depositors, not just FDIC insured funds and depositors. And the premiums collected from banks by the FDIC will pay for it, not taxpayers.
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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 16:53:47 GMT
That's how bank failures cause other bank failures...depositors start pulling money out in order to able to access it. Yep, they were destroyed by being overleveraged and then being hit by a panic. Interestingly I've seen Peter Thiel's name came up in several places with conjecture that it may have been intentional. He apparently told a lot of people they should get their deposits out of SVB. Now the question is, of course, why?
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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 16:54:25 GMT
Another comment on that last tweet.
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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 16:56:57 GMT
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Post by LFC on Mar 13, 2023 16:58:10 GMT
About sums up how far the GOP has fallen. Well, minus the sedition.
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Post by goldenvalley on Mar 13, 2023 17:15:55 GMT
Low risk? They were loaning money to startups. How is that ever low risk? Were they not around for the dot com bust?
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Post by indy on Mar 13, 2023 17:19:11 GMT
I guess when interests rates were low the bank was lending out money for startups that have little income. But when interest rates go up that easy money dries up and the startups still have to pay rent, payroll so they don't deposit money into the bank anymore, leaving the bank short of cash. When other nonstarters see the cash shortage, they start to pull out their money from SVB to make sure they can use it for running their business before the FDIC or some entity shuts down the bank. That's the contagion part. It does seem like the $250,000 per customer being insured by the FDIC is too low. How many companies that aren't mega sized can spread their money around to a number of different banks? Just keeping track of what is where takes up time that could better be spent somewhere else. Silicon Valley had a lot of bonds from what I read. When rates go up the value of the bonds fell. Normally, that will probably not be an issue because rates will go down again and bonds are long-term investments. But the cash withdrawals combined with fewer deposits forced them to sell the bonds at a loss creating a downward spiral.
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Post by LFC on Mar 14, 2023 15:26:24 GMT
I've been a fan of Barry Ritholtz for years though lately I had stopped checking in for whatever reason(s). Here he tells us to not jump to conclusions over all the reasons that SVB collapsed. If repeated history is any guide we will find out a lot more that we don't know today over the course of time.
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Post by andydp on Mar 14, 2023 16:34:00 GMT
I've been a fan of Barry Ritholtz for years though lately I had stopped checking in for whatever reason(s). Here he tells us to not jump to conclusions over all the reasons that SVB collapsed. If repeated history is any guide we will find out a lot more that we don't know today over the course of time.
Thanks for the article. Very simple (I understood it) good overview on what to look for in the denouement.
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Post by andydp on Mar 14, 2023 16:55:17 GMT
This just in: People on Twitter are mocking George Santos for weighing in on the Silicon Valley Bank implosion: 'Tell them how you once ran Switzerland's largest bank, George'Comments from the article: "I never thought I'd live to see Democrats advocating for bailing out millionaire depositors of a bank!" Santos tweeted. Twitter users then flooded Santos' tweets on Silicon Valley Bank's collapse with scathing replies. "Tell them how you once ran Switzerland's largest bank, George," read a tweet alluding to how Santos has admitted to lying about the accolades he's received on his resume. "Says financial expert and former Goldman CEO George Santos," read a tweet from Chris Jackson, a former county commissioner in Lawrence County, Tennessee. "A strong point made by George Santos, the Former Chairman of the Federal Reserve," wrote Twitter user WallStXYZ. Santos has admitted to lying about going to university, being Jewish, and working at Goldman Sachs and Citigroup. www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/people-on-twitter-are-mocking-george-santos-for-weighing-in-on-the-silicon-valley-bank-implosion-tell-them-how-you-once-ran-switzerland-s-largest-bank-george/ar-AA18AP3z?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0cf09deef57742acad2790f45c163994&ei=10
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Post by indy on Mar 15, 2023 12:09:53 GMT
A little perspective on how there only has been two bank failures this year but they are significant ones. In terms of total assets, these two are around 40% of the total failures between 2008-2012.
Overnight Credit Suisse shares tumbled as they appear to be in distress as well (https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/15/investing/credit-suisse-shares-saudi-national-bank/index.html).
This could potentially get very ugly very fast.
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Post by LFC on Apr 5, 2023 21:55:27 GMT
This author writing for the LA Times lays a chunk of the blame for SVB's collapse firmly on Trump era de facto deregulatory policies.
The author points out that there are fingers pointing everywhere but this is a huge miss.
It doesn't require actual law, an executive order, or even a rule to be issued by Treasury. All it takes is a corrupt administration that decides they're going to override the law by strangling regulation. Oh, yeah. And George W. did it too but starving out the SEC, killing its regulatory mission, and having the OTS run blocker against state AGs. We all saw how well 2008 turned out.
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Post by LFC on Apr 28, 2023 18:33:22 GMT
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Post by andydp on May 1, 2023 19:56:51 GMT
Here's a new one for the pile: First Republic Bank fails: Was it a bailout?The collapse of First Republic Bank on Monday left it under control of the U.S. government, which quickly sold the bank to JPMorgan Chase. The move aimed to shore up the financial system after a cascade of major bank failures. JPMorgan Chase, the nation's largest bank, retained the majority of First Republic's assets and all of its deposits, JPMorgan Chase said on Monday. In turn, the deal fully protects depositors at First Republic, who immediately became customers of JPMorgan Chase. To achieve the rescue, however, a federal agency provided $50 billion in financing to JPMorgan Chase, setting off questions about whether the government had orchestrated a bank bailout.www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/first-republic-bank-fails-was-it-a-bailout/ar-AA1aB2sX?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cd46650c851f4108be80abae733bc841&ei=123
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