jackd
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Post by jackd on Jan 14, 2022 1:16:09 GMT
Probably.
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Post by LFC on Jan 14, 2022 16:21:41 GMT
Republican fascists in Pennsylvania already have majority power despite a near even split in votes but aren't satisfied with that as they try to grab even more power. Voter disenfranchisement for power is now the primary Republican "principle." They're not even pretending anymore and their base doesn't want them to.
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pnwguy
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Post by pnwguy on Jan 14, 2022 19:14:42 GMT
Republican fascists in Pennsylvania already have majority power despite a near even split in votes but aren't satisfied with that as they try to grab even more power. Voter disenfranchisement for power is now the primary Republican "principle." They're not even pretending anymore and their base doesn't want them to. I wonder when they will figure out that it's just more efficient to round up Democrat voters and imprison them (felons can't vote). Time to buy more stock in for-profit prisons that will run the future "re-education camps". They can be like "gay conversion therapy" rehab centers, only they turn out GOP voters.
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Post by LFC on Jan 14, 2022 20:02:27 GMT
One of the Republicans who signed a forged election certificate is a candidate for Nevada's SoS where he would actually be in charge of administering the election. And he has Mark Meadows's endorsement. He's proud of his forgery and is open to doing it again. We're doomed.
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Post by LFC on Jan 14, 2022 20:15:44 GMT
It looks like a number, and perhaps all, of the Republicans who signed and submitted forged certificates were actual Trump electors and not just some fringe, unattached nutters. They as completely Republican mainstream.
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Post by LFC on Jan 14, 2022 20:28:35 GMT
Arizona Republicans just got nervous about submitting a forged election certificate. The scary thing is that two fake slates of electors were pushed at the same time. These people are total fascists.
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Post by LFC on Jan 18, 2022 19:03:49 GMT
Debate and possibly a vote on a voter rights bill is moving forward. Harris states it plainly: Moscow Mitch is, of course, making threats.
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Post by jackd on Jan 18, 2022 21:12:50 GMT
And after the vote to waive the filibuster fails, what will we have gained? Similarly, VP Harris' lack of "absolution" is unlikely to bother either of the senators involved. Is there any harm? Perhaps a vivd example of the weakness of the Democratic Party in its "control" of the government will not be helpful for midterm campaigning.
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Post by LFC on Jan 18, 2022 21:17:48 GMT
And after the vote to waive the filibuster fails, what will we have gained? Similarly, VP Harris' lack of "absolution" is unlikely to bother either of the senators involved. Is there any harm? Perhaps a vivd example of the weakness of the Democratic Party in its "control" of the government will not be helpful for midterm campaigning. "They need to fight! Even if they don't always win they have to show they're willing to try!"
"No, they need to not look weak by losing a fight!"
And so goes the never-ending and often conflicting advise for what Democrats must do. AFAIC they are damned if they do and damned if they don't so they might as well at least fire up the base. That means fighting. I can't really see what passively giving up brings to the table when it comes time to get out the vote. If you lose your base the people who simply didn't see you lose aren't going to make up the difference.
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jackd
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Post by jackd on Jan 18, 2022 21:52:34 GMT
The problem, I think, is that elections are won or lost on the margins, in swing states, where rural voters seem to hold the balance. They are unlikely th think such a hopeless action was impressive in any sense. At the same time, those in the "base", by which I assume you mean progressives, are likely to complain that Biden failed to "make" those two senators vote the wrong way. That silliness has already started even before the vote. Will that spur the base to intensify its efforts to get more progressives elected or will it ebb their enthusiasm and reduce their vote? I don't know but I'm not sure the gamble makes sense. Those who care already know the Democrats don't have the votes.
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Post by goldenvalley on Jan 19, 2022 2:39:43 GMT
The problem, I think, is that elections are won or lost on the margins, in swing states, where rural voters seem to hold the balance. They are unlikely th think such a hopeless action was impressive in any sense. At the same time, those in the "base", by which I assume you mean progressives, are likely to complain that Biden failed to "make" those two senators vote the wrong way. That silliness has already started even before the vote. Will that spur the base to intensify its efforts to get more progressives elected or will it ebb their enthusiasm and reduce their vote? I don't know but I'm not sure the gamble makes sense. Those who care already know the Democrats don't have the votes. Either unsuccessful route means the Democrats will be blamed for not being dominant in the rural states of this country. That's the Democrats biggest problem, not lack of good strategy on these or any other bills, not lack of good speeches or lack of appropriate backroom dealing. Having 50 senators who claim the D behind their names is simply not a majority, not in any meaningful sense.
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Post by LFC on Jan 19, 2022 15:41:47 GMT
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Post by LFC on Jan 19, 2022 21:10:09 GMT
Another utter nutter with debunked claims that the 2020 election was stolen. The fact that he's a teacher is scary.
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Post by LFC on Jan 21, 2022 18:03:49 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Jan 21, 2022 18:40:40 GMT
Thanks to Manchin and Sinema this battle to save democracy will have to be fought state by state, county by county. And it's being fought against people who have no scruples, no boundaries to what they will do to achieve and maintain power.
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Post by LFC on Jan 25, 2022 22:30:41 GMT
With its March 1 primary coming up Texass voting laws are causing problems and the counties aren't getting any help from the secretary of state who is in charge of overseeing the elections. Fascism coupled with incompetence or, as I like to call it, the Republican Party.
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Post by goldenvalley on Jan 25, 2022 23:46:35 GMT
With its March 1 primary coming up Texass voting laws are causing problems and the counties aren't getting any help from the secretary of state who is in charge of overseeing the elections. Fascism coupled with incompetence or, as I like to call it, the Republican Party. Is this SB 1 the result of having no clue of what the existing system is (incompetence) or is the intentional sabotage of the existing system? Probably the latter.
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Post by LFC on Jan 26, 2022 15:25:11 GMT
Is this SB 1 the result of having no clue of what the existing system is (incompetence) or is the intentional sabotage of the existing system? Probably the latter. My view of it is...
I really do view it as a combination of the two. The bill was written for the purpose of voter suppression. The administration of it was just standard Republican clusterf***ery as they've jettisoned any interest in elected officials who can actually govern.
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Post by LFC on Jan 27, 2022 17:08:11 GMT
Slickly packaged fascist Glen Youngkin continues to implement The Big Lie strategy.
"Not trying to be political" says the liar who is nothing BUT 100% pure politics and 0% reality. As I said, he's Trump in a slicker package and unfortunately too many Virginians fell for it.
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Post by goldenvalley on Jan 27, 2022 17:37:59 GMT
While I often complain about elected Secretaries of State as injecting politics into what should be a technical civil service type job at least elected one’s cannot be fired by venal governors.
What Youngkin did reminds me of small town politics of an earlier era. New mayor replaces old mayor’s relatives who are in city paid jobs with his own relatives.
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Post by goldenvalley on Jan 28, 2022 18:03:31 GMT
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Post by LFC on Jan 28, 2022 18:15:09 GMT
We'll see what the PA Supreme Court says about the PA Constitution. If the state supreme court, which has a Democratic majority, reverses this decision expect impeachment talk to arise again. The fascism is strong in my state.
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pnwguy
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Post by pnwguy on Jan 28, 2022 18:39:43 GMT
We have so many threads on GOP fascism, you could have put that post in any of them.
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Post by LFC on Jan 28, 2022 18:52:24 GMT
We have so many threads on GOP fascism, you could have put that post in any of them. And they have so many incidents of fascist rhetoric and action that we keep filling all of them.
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Post by LFC on Jan 28, 2022 20:11:49 GMT
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