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Post by LFC on Jul 15, 2021 21:42:32 GMT
Lithium for the batteries is a choke point. Now they're looking at pulling it out of the brine in the Salton Sea. I've been there multiple times. In September I've seen temps as high as 118F and the "lake" is a pool of ultra-briny crap. It must grow something, though, because certain kinds of birds love it. On top of the solar heating it's also a very geothermally active area so if they need to heat brine there's access to "free" heat there as well.
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Post by LFC on Jul 15, 2021 21:52:13 GMT
I expanded the subject line to encompass other fossil fuel powered machinery that is moving towards running on batteries. This interested me because we're currently standardizing our power equipment to have a single battery system for all of the stuff we need.
Bit by bit we're replacing corded tools and older, disparate systems with Makita's 18V / 36V LXT system. Depending upon the tool the same batteries can produce 18V with one or 36V with two. This means that the same batteries and chargers support our 18V compact drill-driver, 18V circular saw, 18V garage blower, 36V chain saw, and 36V pole saw. I'll soon be replacing the leaf blower If we needed a lawnmower we could buy that too.
BTW we're in the midst of having a lot of work done on the house. Different crews use different brands of power tools, generally either Milwaukee or Dewalt though one uses Makita as well. They're all battery operated. For electric tools power cords have already become dinosaurs. Gas-powered lawn equipment is now headed the same way.
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Post by pnwguy on Jul 15, 2021 21:59:18 GMT
I expanded the subject line to encompass other fossil fuel powered machinery that is moving towards running on batteries. This interested me because we're currently standardizing our power equipment to have a single battery system for all of the stuff we need.
Bit by bit we're replacing corded tools and older, disparate systems with Makita's 18V / 36V LXT system. Depending upon the tool the same batteries can produce 18V with one or 36V with two. This means that the same batteries and chargers support our 18V compact drill-driver, 18V circular saw, 18V garage blower, 36V chain saw, and 36V pole saw. I'll soon be replacing the leaf blower If we needed a lawnmower we could buy that too.
BTW we're in the midst of having a lot of work done on the house. Different crews use different brands of power tools, generally either Milwaukee or Dewalt though one uses Makita as well. They're all battery operated. For electric tools power cords have already become dinosaurs. Gas-powered lawn equipment is now headed the same way.
It's beyond time that either a dominant industry trade group or the Dept. of Commerce create some battery standards for interoperability. Too many chargers and dead-end battery designs create a lot of e-waste. We really should have some ANSI standards.
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Post by LFC on Jul 15, 2021 22:09:35 GMT
It's beyond time that either a dominant industry trade group or the Dept. of Commerce create some battery standards for interoperability. Too many chargers and dead-end battery designs create a lot of e-waste. We really should have some ANSI standards. This. SO this.
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Post by Bact PhD on Jul 16, 2021 2:16:59 GMT
I expanded the subject line to encompass other fossil fuel powered machinery that is moving towards running on batteries. This interested me because we're currently standardizing our power equipment to have a single battery system for all of the stuff we need. BTW we're in the midst of having a lot of work done on the house. Different crews use different brands of power tools, generally either Milwaukee or Dewalt though one uses Makita as well. They're all battery operated. For electric tools power cords have already become dinosaurs. Gas-powered lawn equipment is now headed the same way. I've despised the gas-engine tools, with the exception of lawn mowers and chain saws. Even when we first moved out here over 20 years ago, we went with corded blower, string trimmer, & hedge trimmer. I think we started replacing the corded items with the rechargeable battery counterparts about 10-12 years ago (we've stuck with Black & Decker). About the only power tool that still has a cord on it is the 1/4" drill from the mid-1990s. I guess in the lawn care arena, it took longer for the demand for the rechargeable battery-operated items to hit critical mass--?
Heartily concur re having some sort of standard; it's beyond time.
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Post by andydp on Jul 16, 2021 13:18:18 GMT
I expanded the subject line to encompass other fossil fuel powered machinery that is moving towards running on batteries. This interested me because we're currently standardizing our power equipment to have a single battery system for all of the stuff we need. BTW we're in the midst of having a lot of work done on the house. Different crews use different brands of power tools, generally either Milwaukee or Dewalt though one uses Makita as well. They're all battery operated. For electric tools power cords have already become dinosaurs. Gas-powered lawn equipment is now headed the same way. I've despised the gas-engine tools, with the exception of lawn mowers and chain saws. Even when we first moved out here over 20 years ago, we went with corded blower, string trimmer, & hedge trimmer. I think we started replacing the corded items with the rechargeable battery counterparts about 10-12 years ago (we've stuck with Black & Decker). About the only power tool that still has a cord on it is the 1/4" drill from the mid-1990s. I guess in the lawn care arena, it took longer for the demand for the rechargeable battery-operated items to hit critical mass--?
Heartily concur re having some sort of standard; it's beyond time.Two years ago, I gave up on the gas powered mower after I needed a replacement. Got a Kobol self propelled battery powered mower. Haven't looked back since. I have a "small" yard but I do get a full job out of the battery with some power to spare. I also bought a Kobol battery leaf blower and string trimmer. The ease of operation is fantastic. Insert battery and push start. No oil changes, gas mixing etc. Kobol (via Lowe's) also sells a variety of battery powered tools such as chain saws, limb cutters, snow throwers all using the same "format" rechageable batteries. I have one gas powered item left: our snow blower.
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Post by pnwguy on Jul 16, 2021 13:41:34 GMT
Manufacturers LIKE proprietary battery packs, because it locks in customers and profits. It usually takes some external pressure to force standardization, and thus, competition. At least the Biden administration is making a push for competition to once again be part of capitalism. Of course, that means more corporate money will flow to Republicans as bribery, to keep their gravy trains safe.
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Post by Bact PhD on Jul 17, 2021 23:55:02 GMT
Two years ago, I gave up on the gas powered mower after I needed a replacement. Got a Kobol self propelled battery powered mower. Haven't looked back since. I have a "small" yard but I do get a full job out of the battery with some power to spare. I also bought a Kobol battery leaf blower and string trimmer. The ease of operation is fantastic. Insert battery and push start. No oil changes, gas mixing etc. Kobol (via Lowe's) also sells a variety of battery powered tools such as chain saws, limb cutters, snow throwers all using the same "format" rechageable batteries. I have one gas powered item left: our snow blower. We went the other direction in the lawnmower department last year, replacing the small gas-powered push mower that arrived the same year as Dear Son with that status symbol of Old Goat-dom, a riding mower. It was coming down to managing to get the task done in the decreasing time window where the lawn was dry enough to cut and before the next thundershower came up. The chainsaw is a Stihl, acquired about the time of the Storms of Oh-Four. It's been well-maintained and gets a fair amount of use by Chem PhD, between helping out the neighbors with fallen trees and cutting up large logs for firewood. I don't see him willingly replacing it with anything battery-operated; it just "won't be the same."
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Post by LFC on Jul 22, 2021 16:36:44 GMT
From the very first time I read that a "study" had found that EVs created more greenhouse gases than normal gasoline powered vehicles due to the mining and manufacturing process every skeptical synapse in my body fired off. On the face of it the premise seemed absurd though I was still willing to be convinced. As expected the more I read on the topic the more it comes off as fossil fuel company funded propaganda. Here's yet another study that calls bullshit.
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Post by LFC on Aug 26, 2021 18:36:48 GMT
Tesla is moving towards structural batteries to cut weight (from January). Overall weight is a big issues. I saw a follow-up elsewhere that Audi's EV has the most massive battery by far but has middle of the pack range to show for it.
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Post by LFC on Aug 26, 2021 18:42:24 GMT
F*** Toyota.
GM continues to perform as GM has performed for decades. Yes, anybody can have a design or manufacturing problem but as the numbers build up they tell a story. I've never considered buying a GM and doubt I ever will.
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Post by LFC on Aug 26, 2021 18:46:36 GMT
A global survey find a lot of people are considering buying an EV as their next car.
Right now my wife is lusting after a Volvo XC40 Recharge. We took a test drive and it's a sweet ride. If we weren't in the midst of a massive home reno project we'd have probably put in our order already.
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Post by LFC on Aug 31, 2021 20:03:36 GMT
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Post by LFC on Sept 10, 2021 20:50:03 GMT
Toyota screwed the pooch on the future of clean cars by betting on hydrogen with hybrids as a bridge. Now they're planning on putting over $13B into batteries in the next decade.
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Post by LFC on Sept 21, 2021 21:55:25 GMT
Battery powered freight locomotives are becoming a reality. This report on actual in-field testing is from January.
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Post by LFC on Sept 21, 2021 22:03:36 GMT
Ford wants to compete head to head with Tesla but their dealerships are not so happy about that.
We recently bought a Subaru Outback. Our old small dealership was bought out by one of the big multi-brand outfits in the area. Despite having bought several cars from the old dealership and bringing our cars in regularly for service even at the big dealership they gave us an incredibly shitty offer. Even after haggling for quite some time the deal didn't smell very good. We went to a small, family owned dealership and got the exact same car for over $1,000 less and that was their opening and only price. "Here's what we charge" and that was that. The big outfit lost the sale and, more to the point, lost us as service customers for two vehicles.
All too often shopping for a car continues to be an unpleasant experience. I don't know anybody who would shed a tear if the entire dealership system as it exists today collapsed.
We also looked at the Volvo XC40 Recharge and at a Mazda CX-5 both from small dealerships. The experience at both was vastly better than at the first Subaru dealer. In our experience the bigger the dealership the more likely the deal will suck.
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Post by Bact PhD on Sept 22, 2021 0:52:02 GMT
Ford wants to compete head to head with Tesla but their dealerships are not so happy about that. We recently bought a Subaru Outback. Our old small dealership was bought out by one of the big multi-brand outfits in the area. Despite having bought several cars from the old dealership and bringing our cars in regularly for service even at the big dealership they gave us an incredibly shitty offer. Even after haggling for quite some time the deal didn't smell very good. We went to a small, family owned dealership and got the exact same car for over $1,000 less and that was their opening and only price. "Here's what we charge" and that was that. The big outfit lost the sale and, more to the point, lost us as service customers for two vehicles.
All too often shopping for a car continues to be an unpleasant experience. I don't know anybody who would shed a tear if the entire dealership system as it exists today collapsed.
We also looked at the Volvo XC40 Recharge and at a Mazda CX-5 both from small dealerships. The experience at both was vastly better than at the first Subaru dealer. In our experience the bigger the dealership the more likely the deal will suck.
I hear ya, BOY, do I hear ya! The big multi-brand "regional auto groups" have cornered things in this market. The one in the next town down the road with which we dealt recently for the Family Fleet expansion owns the Honda dealers in BOTH cities, as well as the Nissan dealer, the VW dealer, the Kia dealer,... (the Toyota dealer in my burg is owned by a different "auto group"). They put one over on us, BIG time, when it came to the mystery "dealer fees" (and were VERY aggressive on the extended warranty/service contract sale!) when they found out we would not be financing with them. Unfortunately, taking the cars to the smaller dealer in Jax that sold me my ride (without muss or fuss) for routine service isn't a realistic option, so we're stuck.
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Post by LFC on Oct 11, 2021 17:23:24 GMT
If I had to predict which EV manufacturer something like this would happen to GM would be my pick. For the life of me I can't understand why this company still exists.
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Post by LFC on Oct 14, 2021 15:26:04 GMT
If auto manufacturers want to transition to EVs then they had better realize, quickly, that software is an enormously critical part of their process. I get the feeling that some still don't quite grasp the criticality of it in the EVs.
Sounds like a typical Big Auto reaction.
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Post by pnwguy on Oct 14, 2021 15:36:09 GMT
If auto manufacturers want to transition to EVs then they had better realize, quickly, that software is an enormously critical part of their process. I get the feeling that some still don't quite grasp the criticality of it in the EVs. Sounds like a typical Big Auto reaction. Boeing's 737 Max fiasco was similar. I just flew on the first of these back and forth to Reykjavik this past week, and I'm glad they took 2 years to remedy the fatal flaw in their MCAS system. As someone who's worked in software for almost 39 years, I can appreciate a rigorous QA team.
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Post by LFC on Oct 25, 2021 18:42:21 GMT
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Post by LFC on Nov 3, 2021 20:40:59 GMT
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Post by LFC on Dec 3, 2021 18:37:33 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Dec 3, 2021 19:27:57 GMT
Am I being cynical when I wonder if these startups are actually interested in producing EVs or if they are interested in attracting venture capital and shareholder money so they can pay themselves as executives?
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Post by LFC on Dec 3, 2021 19:31:14 GMT
Am I being cynical when I wonder if these startups are actually interested in producing EVs or if they are interested in attracting venture capital and shareholder money so they can pay themselves as executives? Some of each, I suspect. We already posted how Nikola's founder (the one who picked such an original name) was completely full of shit. I think a number of other companies are passionate entrepreneurs, but I doubt all of them are truly driven by passion for engineering and accomplishment rather than passion for money.
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