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Post by LFC on Mar 22, 2022 18:26:41 GMT
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Post by andydp on Mar 23, 2022 12:38:49 GMT
This could go in Russia thread too but here's good enough. Ukraine Is Changing the World Order, Just Not How Putin Hoped
(Bloomberg) -- Two days after President Vladimir Putin sent his armed forces into Ukraine, Russian state news agency RIA Novosti published an article that assumed imminent victory. It celebrated “a new era,” marked by the end of Western domination, the severing of bonds between the U.S. and continental Europe and the return of Russia to its rightful “space and place” in the world. Rather than split from the U.S., NATO’s European members have cleaved to it. Rather than shrink to its pre-expansion size of the 1990s — as Putin demanded before his invasion — the alliance is positioning more personnel on its frontiers. NATO has sent about an additional 3,000 troops to its eastern flank, as well as helicopters, tanks and fighter jets, to deter any potential Kremlin decision to expand the battlefield. “No matter how this war turns out — and as cynical as it sounds now — historians will say that Putin’s attack on Ukraine gave Europe the time it needed to recover so it could confront Russia and, further down the road, China,” said General Richard Barrons, a former commander of the U.K.’s Joint Forces Command. “Ukraine is paying a high price to buy us time.” www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-is-changing-the-world-order-just-not-how-putin-hoped/ar-AAVn87r?ocid=msedgntp
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Post by LFC on Mar 23, 2022 12:48:00 GMT
3/17 : 1550 (236) 19.7%
3/18 : 1574 (244) 20.3%
3/19 : --
3/20 : 1616 (254) 21.7%
3/21 : 1662 (263) 21.9%
3/22 : 1676 (268) 22.3%
3/23 : 1721 (271) 22.6%
I saw a government official quoted today saying that Russia has lost about 10% of its troops and that they are having serious resupply issues.
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Post by LFC on Mar 23, 2022 15:10:50 GMT
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Post by andydp on Mar 23, 2022 15:36:19 GMT
Two things: please note the source of the intercepted conversation. Next: if you're a Vet, you can readily recognize this as "GI Griping" or, as commonly referred to: a "B^%#h Session". If this is corroborated by someone outside of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, then I might believe SOME of it.
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Post by indy on Mar 23, 2022 16:30:48 GMT
Some of this rings true. Frostbite does appear to be a problem (https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-troops-ukraine-frostbite-inadequate-cold-weather-gear-us-2022-3). If, for example, it is true that there are no trains running between Belarus and Ukraine (as Belarus has acknowledged) then shipping the dead back home is really problematic for any of the units to the NW of Kyiv. Are you gonna tie up trucks and personnel and clog the few already overwhelmed roadways? In addition, there is lots of videos of Ukrainians collecting up dead Russian soldiers and dumping them in bomb craters because they were left behind.
Now, whether Ukrainian intelligence have gathered up these reports and concocted a conversation, I have no idea but kudos to them if they did, because it was a great job.
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Post by indy on Mar 23, 2022 16:34:46 GMT
You know, come to think of it, in all the photos and videos I've seen, I don't recall seeing any sort of Russian medical vehicles. I wonder if they were so convinced it was going to be a cakewalk they didn't properly prepare for casualties.
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Post by LFC on Mar 24, 2022 12:59:58 GMT
The numbers keep rising, and not in tiny increments. 3/18 : 1574 (244) 20.3%
3/19 : --
3/20 : 1616 (254) 21.7%
3/21 : 1662 (263) 21.9%
3/22 : 1676 (268) 22.3%
3/23 : 1721 (271) 22.6%
3/24 : 1785 (280) 23.3% I saw a report this AM that Ukrainian troops had pushed the Russians back nearly 30 miles. They had been basically on Kyiv's doorstep and now their 34 miles back and taking defensive rather than offensive positions. Putin must be losing his shit.
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Post by indy on Mar 24, 2022 13:46:20 GMT
Add a Russian ship to that total. Two others were reported damaged but were able to steam away under their own power.
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Post by LFC on Mar 24, 2022 13:56:43 GMT
There are reports that Russian troops have been pushed back from Kyiv. If true they aren't just being stalled, they're being defeated at least on one very important front.
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Post by indy on Mar 24, 2022 14:24:59 GMT
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Post by LFC on Mar 24, 2022 15:17:43 GMT
In addition to the destruction of a Russian ship the port has been damaged. It's been reported that it was taken out by a ballistic missile which means the Ukrainians have mid to long range attack capabilities. They just appear to be using them strategically.
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Post by LFC on Mar 24, 2022 15:21:11 GMT
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Post by LFC on Mar 24, 2022 15:27:10 GMT
Biden's State Department straight out accused Russia of war crimes. Nice to see them state the obvious rather than having to watch Trump and is cronies fawn all over Putin as they mouth his propaganda like puppets.
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Post by indy on Mar 24, 2022 15:33:26 GMT
Now that they have shown the ability to hit there, that port may not get much more use even if it is undamaged.
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Post by LFC on Mar 24, 2022 16:57:02 GMT
Josh Marshall points out an article which makes the case that while Putin is clearly killing thousands of civilians there may actually be some level of restraint. He's unsparing on what he thinks of Newsweek but he respects the author.
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Post by jackd on Mar 24, 2022 17:44:49 GMT
The Russians seem to be claiming that the Ukrainian military is using civilian areas as shields. That is unfortunately close to U.S. claims of civilians being collateral damage in the targeting of legitimate enemy targets in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Post by LFC on Mar 24, 2022 20:07:53 GMT
The Russians seem to be claiming that the Ukrainian military is using civilian areas as shields. That is unfortunately close to U.S. claims of civilians being collateral damage in the targeting of legitimate enemy targets in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is but if reports of blocking people from leaving and attacking those who do are true then Putin would be the one who installed those human shields.
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Post by goldenvalley on Mar 24, 2022 20:57:27 GMT
The Russians seem to be claiming that the Ukrainian military is using civilian areas as shields. That is unfortunately close to U.S. claims of civilians being collateral damage in the targeting of legitimate enemy targets in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is but if reports of blocking people from leaving and attacking those who do are true then Putin would be the one who installed those human shields. What so Ukrainian missile launchers are hidden in these apartment buildings? Really the nature of war now is murder the civilians to either break the will of the country or simply to remove potential insurgents. Seems like all rules are out.
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Post by LFC on Mar 25, 2022 13:03:25 GMT
3/18 : 1574 (244) 20.3%
3/19 : --
3/20 : 1616 (254) 21.7%
3/21 : 1662 (263) 21.9%
3/22 : 1676 (268) 22.3%
3/23 : 1721 (271) 22.6%
3/24 : 1785 (280) 23.3%
3/25 : 1831 (289) 24.1% This means they've lost 55 tanks in a week or nearly 4%. They've lost a total of 257 pieces of heavy equipment.
Sadly the aerial bombardments continue relatively unimpeded. It looks like it's a war of attrition at this point.
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Post by indy on Mar 25, 2022 13:13:52 GMT
Most recent reports are that the Russian supply ship was taken out by a drone rather than a ballistic missile strike. I guess you really don't need that much of a payload when the target has a lot of its own munitions to add to the effect.
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Post by andydp on Mar 25, 2022 13:34:13 GMT
Most recent reports are that the Russian supply ship was taken out by a drone rather than a ballistic missile strike. I guess you really don't need that much of a payload when the target has a lot of its own munitions to add to the effect. Agreed. An earlier post mentioned the use of SatNav systems for the Turkish Drones. Once again showing how a cheap munition delivery system can destroy billion dollar equipment. I doubt their fire suppression systems are as thorough as US. You only need to hit one vehicle to get the rest of the equipment burning. Most people have no idea of the “power” of these munitions.
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Post by indy on Mar 25, 2022 13:34:44 GMT
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Post by LFC on Mar 25, 2022 14:43:17 GMT
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Post by indy on Mar 25, 2022 14:54:18 GMT
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