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Post by LFC on Mar 31, 2022 14:06:31 GMT
Many years ago I worked with a guy whose mother was a civilian employee in military procurement. She said some procedures were just poorly written. The example he told me about was the requirement that they purchase black desk phones, even though they were more expensive. The additional cost came about because the rules specified "black" back when those were the cheapest phones. By the 90s tan phones were the cheapest and black was a designer color. If it had simply been written to say "least expensive color" they wouldn't have been wasting money on black phones.
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Post by indy on Mar 31, 2022 14:35:28 GMT
There is a lot of that I'm afraid. I rent a building to a (non-military) US agency which has about 10-12 employees. There were some pretty insane requirements for infrastructure like 25 pair of incoming phone lines, a 10ft by 10ft computer room with it's own cooling system and anti-static flooring (and which houses about 3 cubic feet of equipment in it), four separate lines of cat 8 ethernet running to like 30 locations (yet had an incoming DSL line) but no requirement for incoming fiber. It's like somebody had specified it for an equipment room in the 90s but had only updated one item in the interim. Last I looked they still had people going from building to building on a rotating schedule to do backups to tapes but that may have change in the last few years.
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Post by LFC on Mar 31, 2022 15:03:21 GMT
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Post by LFC on Mar 31, 2022 16:32:50 GMT
There have been a pile of recent headlines on just how bad a cluster-f*** Ukraine has been for Russia. Take them for what they're worth.
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Post by andydp on Mar 31, 2022 16:46:58 GMT
Hmmmm, where have we seen this before in Russian history ?
Troops led by incompetents
Insufficient supplies
Angry soldiers
Authoritarian ruler being lied to
More conscripts being "fed" to the machine
All Putin needs now is a "special" train from Berlin, a deranged monk (may have that already), an emerging competitor
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Post by LFC on Mar 31, 2022 16:58:14 GMT
All Putin needs now is a "special" train from Berlin, a deranged monk (may have that already), an emerging competitor Check.
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Post by goldenvalley on Mar 31, 2022 18:02:42 GMT
There is a lot of that I'm afraid. I rent a building to a (non-military) US agency which has about 10-12 employees. There were some pretty insane requirements for infrastructure like 25 pair of incoming phone lines, a 10ft by 10ft computer room with it's own cooling system and anti-static flooring (and which houses about 3 cubic feet of equipment in it), four separate lines of cat 8 ethernet running to like 30 locations (yet had an incoming DSL line) but no requirement for incoming fiber. It's like somebody had specified it for an equipment room in the 90s but had only updated one item in the interim. Last I looked they still had people going from building to building on a rotating schedule to do backups to tapes but that may have change in the last few years. This is a problem in all forms of government agencies. Because they are spending tax dollars the writers of the procurement rules go into great detail so that they can show they are going for the cheapest. If they were written more broadly to give the people with expertise the ability to recognize and use the more advanced technology that is cheaper in the long run, the anti tax crowd would roar because they think everyone and everything in government wastes money...and they bring up the toilet seats incessantly.
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Post by jackd on Mar 31, 2022 18:36:05 GMT
The toilet seat issue was real. Remember Senator Proxmire and the "Golden Fleece Award"?
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Post by goldenvalley on Mar 31, 2022 18:44:20 GMT
The toilet seat issue was real. Remember Senator Proxmire and the "Golden Fleece Award"? Oh yeah. Totally real, but that doesn't mean that every government expenditure should be treated as if it were the toilet seat.
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Post by indy on Apr 1, 2022 1:51:30 GMT
There is a lot of that I'm afraid. I rent a building to a (non-military) US agency which has about 10-12 employees. There were some pretty insane requirements for infrastructure like 25 pair of incoming phone lines, a 10ft by 10ft computer room with it's own cooling system and anti-static flooring (and which houses about 3 cubic feet of equipment in it), four separate lines of cat 8 ethernet running to like 30 locations (yet had an incoming DSL line) but no requirement for incoming fiber. It's like somebody had specified it for an equipment room in the 90s but had only updated one item in the interim. Last I looked they still had people going from building to building on a rotating schedule to do backups to tapes but that may have change in the last few years. This is a problem in all forms of government agencies. Because they are spending tax dollars the writers of the procurement rules go into great detail so that they can show they are going for the cheapest. If they were written more broadly to give the people with expertise the ability to recognize and use the more advanced technology that is cheaper in the long run, the anti tax crowd would roar because they think everyone and everything in government wastes money...and they bring up the toilet seats incessantly. The thing is, from the outside, it is hard to tell where one should concentrate on efficiencies. The US government is the largest lessor of real estate in the United States (maybe the world, I don't know). Most of it is in urban areas in large office complexes, for the obvious reason that that is where people are. The kind of real estate I lease to them and is subject to these requirements is an infinitesimally small part of it, especially the dollar amounts. They would certainly be better off concentrating their resources on the requirements for the large spaces. And the truth is, lots of stuff falls through the cracks and there are lots of inefficiencies. But that happens in all large businesses.
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Post by LFC on Apr 1, 2022 13:08:37 GMT
And the truth is, lots of stuff falls through the cracks and there are lots of inefficiencies. But that happens in all large businesses. When people make broad "the government sucks at everything" comments with the inferred "private businesses can handle it better" I ask if they've ever had to use Comcast customer service. Between our past experiences with them and the Social Security Administration I'll take the SSA every single day.
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Post by LFC on Apr 1, 2022 13:10:58 GMT
Equipment destruction update: 3/18 : 1574 (244) 20.3%
3/19 : --
3/20 : 1616 (254) 21.7%
3/21 : 1662 (263) 21.9%
3/22 : 1676 (268) 22.3%
3/23 : 1721 (271) 22.6%
3/24 : 1785 (280) 23.3%
3/25 : 1831 (289) 24.1%
3/26 : 1920 (300) 25.0%
3/27 : --
3/28 : 2015 (318) 26.5%
3/29 : 2059 (331) 27.6%
3/30 : 2104 (345) 28.8%
3/31 : --
4/01 : 2175 (359) 30.0%
They lost roughly 30% of their tanks in two weeks. Putin must be losing it.
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Post by andydp on Apr 1, 2022 13:25:35 GMT
And the truth is, lots of stuff falls through the cracks and there are lots of inefficiencies. But that happens in all large businesses. When people make broad "the government sucks at everything" comments with the inferred "private businesses can handle it better" I ask if they've ever had to use Comcast customer service. Between our past experiences with them and the Social Security Administration I'll take the SSA every single day. I heard the DEA was going to send all the confiscated drugs to Comcast Customer Service, that way NOBODY gets any
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Post by Bact PhD on Apr 1, 2022 13:28:15 GMT
When people make broad "the government sucks at everything" comments with the inferred "private businesses can handle it better" I ask if they've ever had to use Comcast customer service. Between our past experiences with them and the Social Security Administration I'll take the SSA every single day. I heard the DEA was going to send all the confiscated drugs to Comcast Customer Service, that way NOBODY gets any (wipes coffee off phone…)
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Post by LFC on Apr 1, 2022 14:38:45 GMT
Did Ukraine just directly attack a fuel depot over 20 miles inside of Russia? It's certainly a strategic military target.
Bonus ridiculous statement points from this Kremlin spokesperson. You know, because wanton destruction of cities and slaughtering of civilians are perfectly comfortable conditions.
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Post by indy on Apr 1, 2022 15:24:07 GMT
It's possible of course but I'm not believing it yet. There doesn't seem to be a reason for it. Perhaps some rogue element pf the Ukrainian defense forces?
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Post by andydp on Apr 1, 2022 15:53:21 GMT
It's possible of course but I'm not believing it yet. There doesn't seem to be a reason for it. Perhaps some rogue element pf the Ukrainian defense forces? One thing to note if attack helicopters were involved, this means there are no Russian air defenses. Helicopters don’t operate unless they know there won’t be any enemy air to contend with.
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Post by jackd on Apr 1, 2022 17:10:18 GMT
No reason for it? They mention an oil depot and Russia has logistical issues.
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Post by goldenvalley on Apr 1, 2022 17:48:30 GMT
It's possible of course but I'm not believing it yet. There doesn't seem to be a reason for it. Perhaps some rogue element pf the Ukrainian defense forces? My super espionage movie watching wonders if the Russians didn't do it to give them an excuse to pound the Ukrainians ever harder.
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Post by jackd on Apr 1, 2022 17:58:48 GMT
The implication of some of the comments about this story is that it is somehow an "escalation" or "provocation" for a country that has been invaded and whose cities and civilian populations are being bombed and shelled to counter attack the invader as though the invader has a right to immunity from such action.
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Post by LFC on Apr 1, 2022 19:11:59 GMT
TPM flags an analysis from somebody in Austria who believes that Russia is pulling back in preparation for a second offensive.
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Post by goldenvalley on Apr 1, 2022 20:58:24 GMT
TPM flags an analysis from somebody in Austria who believes that Russia is pulling back in preparation for a second offensive. A talking head last night said something similar. But also thinks Russia will focus on eastern Ukraine from now on.
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Post by LFC on Apr 4, 2022 13:09:29 GMT
Equipment destruction update: 3/18 : 1574 (244) 20.3% 3/19 : -- 3/20 : 1616 (254) 21.7% 3/21 : 1662 (263) 21.9% 3/22 : 1676 (268) 22.3% 3/23 : 1721 (271) 22.6% 3/24 : 1785 (280) 23.3% 3/25 : 1831 (289) 24.1% 3/26 : 1920 (300) 25.0% 3/27 : -- 3/28 : 2015 (318) 26.5% 3/29 : 2059 (331) 27.6% 3/30 : 2104 (345) 28.8% 3/31 : -- 4/01 : 2175 (359) 30.0% 4/02 : -- 4/03: 2394 (410) 4/04: 2414 (416)
I dropped the percentages since Russia seems to be trying to resupply and regroup so I have no idea what the denominator would be at this point.
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Post by LFC on Apr 4, 2022 17:42:12 GMT
It now sounds like just slaughter out of spite ( paywalled). More on Russians slaughtering civilians ( paywalled).
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Post by goldenvalley on Apr 4, 2022 18:49:17 GMT
Clearly the international organizations created post WWII are not equipped to deal with the behavior of Russia. They were built in an idealistic time when all agreed that world war was a bad thing. Now we have a country (and probably more than one) that does not honor the intent and spirit of those orgs and that has nuclear weapons...one that even has veto power in the UN Security Council.
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