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Post by LFC on Sept 6, 2021 14:45:14 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 6, 2021 15:57:36 GMT
It's certainly true here. And what there is of it is snapped up quickly. When kid #1 and husband were looking for a starter the few houses there were were sold for asking price or above within 48 hours. Multiple bidders. When you need 20% down to get a mortgage going above the asking price is almost impossible.
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Post by Rue Bella on Sept 6, 2021 18:31:47 GMT
A house at the bottom of the hill went on the market a week or so ago. House about 60 years old, no view, fixer-upper, significant foundation problems, no landscaping of note - 1.3 Million. Quiet area, close to things, good weather. Would be a perfect starter home for someone willing to put in some sweat equity. But who just starting out can afford that?
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Post by Bact PhD on Sept 8, 2021 2:57:40 GMT
This area has been borderline nutso for decades, as we get the expatriates from the even crazier housing market of South Florida,1 as well as the college kids who liked the area so well they decided to stay beyond graduation. In the housing boom of the early 'aughts, homes appreciated at something like 15% a year, and that was with fairly robust building of both single-family and apartment homes. Although the Great Recession did a number on housing prices, and we still have a few "zombie subdivisions" kicking around, building has returned with a vengeance since 2012 or so. Both in the early 'aughts, when we newlyweds were buying, and now, much of the newer construction has skewed to upper-middle to high end. In one newer planned community not far from me, the newly-built sub-2000 SF homes on what I call "postage stamp" lots go for pushing $400K.
Over the last few years (roughly since Dear Daughter graduated HS), the area has also sprouted "bedroom communities" well away (15+ miles) from the main employment centers featuring newly-constructed and slightly smaller (1500-1800 SF) homes and smaller yards. These properties are running on the order of $280-300K; of course, the drawback is the longer commute (the traffic is on regular streets, not interstates, and is bumper-to-bumper at rush hours; public transportation is nonexistent until you get to the city limits). Still not the article's definition of a "starter home" by a long shot.
Although there's been talk in local government circles about "affordable housing" closer to the major employers since I moved here a quarter-century ago, and an awful lot of housing intended to cater to the college crowd (and their wealthy parents) has gone up, tangible results on the "affordable" front aren't apparent.
In my "Brady Bunch"-era neighborhood, the flippers have been a factor this last half-decade. There have been two just since the first of the year; in both instances, the flipping LLC probably made bank after expenses -- just a hunch. The younger couples/families are buying the houses up, too, at or somewhat over asking price. Interestingly enough, there has even been one couple who bought a "handyman special" who seems to be doing the bulk of the fixer-upper work as a DIY project, and it looks like the family actually resides in the place.
1Down there, a fair chunk of the properties that once had "starter homes" or even "winter cottages" from the 1950s & early '60s on them have become "tear-downs", now featuring (IMO) hideous McMansions.
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Post by Bact PhD on Oct 18, 2021 20:08:25 GMT
This area has been borderline nutso for decades, …
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In my "Brady Bunch"-era neighborhood, the flippers have been a factor this last half-decade. There have been two just since the first of the year; in both instances, the flipping LLC probably made bank after expenses -- just a hunch. The younger couples/families are buying the houses up, too, at or somewhat over asking price. Interestingly enough, there has even been one couple who bought a "handyman special" who seems to be doing the bulk of the fixer-upper work as a DIY project, and it looks like the family actually resides in the place. Update re this particular “handyman special”: It just listed a weekend ago, after about 2 1/2 years under the present ownership. Purchase price in 2019, ~$225K. Listing October 2021, ~$455K, and under contract after barely a week on the market.
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Post by LFC on Oct 18, 2021 20:35:03 GMT
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Post by Bact PhD on Jan 7, 2022 17:57:55 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Jan 7, 2022 18:35:21 GMT
Tech-assisted buying seems to help institutional landlords over first-time home buyers or even “Mom and Pop” investors.
Two things made me go Hmmmm. First, voices from both poles of the political spectrum have seen fit to speak about it; second, much of the buy-to-rent is in non-White areas. Even before tech assisted buying the institutional investors were buying up CA houses due to the 2008 recession. Not just in lower income areas, but middle income areas too because so many people were underwater on mortgages. In Orange County (SoCal) Zillow realized it was paying over market because it didn't recognize the market was cooling off. I imagine the institutional investors started to complain and that's why it was discovered.
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Post by Bact PhD on Feb 18, 2022 21:50:39 GMT
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Post by LFC on Sept 13, 2022 18:17:19 GMT
Just ... wow. No wonder housing costs are skyrocketing.
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Post by LFC on Apr 5, 2023 19:32:56 GMT
Ritholtz posted this map of where prices are going up and where they're going down.
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Post by LFC on May 19, 2023 19:04:11 GMT
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Post by LFC on Jun 12, 2023 22:13:19 GMT
I have to admit, I thought the lines would have tracked closer.
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Post by pnwguy on Jun 13, 2023 17:27:42 GMT
I have to admit, I thought the lines would have tracked closer I suspect that rents can't rise as fast as mortgage rates have, especially in locations with rent control.
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Post by LFC on Jul 27, 2023 18:41:50 GMT
It's interesting to see where housing prices held relatively fast and where they sunk back down. The West Coast had a serious amount of correction but almost everywhere, not just the high-cost urban areas. Idaho, western MT, NV, AZ, and a big chunk of UT too. Other large drops were in red states as well, including WV and eastern TN of all places. It's an interesting map.
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Post by goldenvalley on Jul 28, 2023 22:20:11 GMT
It's interesting to see where housing prices held relatively fast and where they sunk back down. The West Coast had a serious amount of correction but almost everywhere, not just the high-cost urban areas. Idaho, western MT, NV, AZ, and a big chunk of UT too. Other large drops were in red states as well, including WV and eastern TN of all places. It's an interesting map. In my part of CA the prices went down for two reasons. 1) All the folks that moved from the San Francisco Bay Area to the Sacramento area during Covid. Their moves goosed the prices considerably and a lot of people sold houses to the newcomers because they could get bids that were over asking prices, not because they wanted or needed to relocate. Of course the latter then had to go find a replacement house and they were somewhat scarce which also raised prices. And 2) There was less demand for Bay Area housing once everyone moved to Sac so that area's prices went down too. Don't know what happened in the Southland of CA.
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Post by Bact PhD on Dec 1, 2023 1:05:41 GMT
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Post by AnBr on Dec 1, 2023 14:35:49 GMT
Housing valuations here are skyrocketing, too. With all of the new big tech moving in, like the two new Intel plants, a couple of new Amazon data centers (and lord knows how many of its warehouses), two new Google data centers, and the newly announced space science park research facility, along with explosive growth, outside investment companies have been buying up residential properties like crazy. This has set property values soaring through the roof. My own house was valued at more than double that of the last period. I am afraid that what was once a place with affordable housing will follow places like the Pacific northwest and areas in CA where there is no such thing as affordable housing.
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Post by jackd on Dec 1, 2023 17:23:43 GMT
The cost of insurance is one of the factors midwestern residents moving to Florida to escape income taxes forget and when they get there feel blindsided.
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Post by goldenvalley on Dec 6, 2023 16:55:22 GMT
The cost of insurance is one of the factors midwestern residents moving to Florida to escape income taxes forget and when they get there feel blindsided. Hurricanes in Florida and fires in California have insurance companies in a panic. Can't make money when they are paying out on claims. In the woodsy areas and scrubby areas of California homeowners insurance companies are curtailing any "new" policies and charging a whole lot more for the existing ones.
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Post by pnwguy on Dec 8, 2023 15:56:08 GMT
Even in safer areas insurance carriers are jacking up rates to offset losses in the areas at higher risk of climate calamities.
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Post by Bact PhD on Jun 20, 2024 20:12:24 GMT
Anecdote: There does seem to be a limit to what people are willing to pay for a home in my area of Flori-DUH. The house behind us, IMO priced about $75K higher than it should have been, has been sitting on the market for 4 months with barely a nibble. However, several other places, priced more in-line with what I would expect, have gone under contract within 72 hours of listing. More listings in this area are showing “price decrease” next to them, and “word on the street” is that the market here is “softening” a bit.
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