andydp
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Post by andydp on Mar 11, 2021 1:10:10 GMT
I'm sure you've heard it all by now: "Only 9% is earmarked for COVID. The rest is pork" Harking back to The Carson Show: "Not so fast man in the moon breath." From the article: No. While a very small part of the bill is actually labeled for things like COVID testing, protective gear, treatments, vaccines and distribution, a large portion of the bill goes to stimulus programs addressing the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, which itself has been highly critical of the bill, estimates a little more than 15% of the package “is spent on long-standing policy priorities that are not directly related to the current crisis.” That would mean almost 85% of the bill’s funding is toward projects related to COVID relief, a far cry from the 9% made in claims.www.wkyc.com/article/news/verify/covid-relief-bill/507-1af72abc-696c-408c-afae-034b5692d10d
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Post by Bact PhD on Mar 11, 2021 3:36:05 GMT
Some time back, I was listening to a podcast (Hanauer, maybe?) and the take was that to refer to it as “economic stimulus” per se was really a bit of a misnomer—the more accurate description is to refer to it as “disaster relief,” except rather than affecting just one geographical area, this disaster impacted the entire USA.
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Post by LFC on Mar 15, 2021 22:19:53 GMT
I'm sure you've heard it all by now: "Only 9% is earmarked for COVID. The rest is pork" My kneejerk reaction to that the instant I read it was "Well, that's a lie." This is where some might say, "Shouldn't you research it first?" I now just answer "Nope!" That may have been true at one time but it's been so long since the Republican Party or the American right wing has put forth a good faith argument that there's no reason to give them any benefit of the doubt. The "Shouldn't this be looked into?" concern trolling has been a mainstay of the right-wing climate deniers for at least 30 years. When one side is wrong over and over and over and over again then no, there's no reason to waste my time. You're either a liar, stupid, or both. I don't have the inclination to find yet another debunking of this new "data" after the first 100+ have fallen flat.
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Post by LFC on Apr 29, 2021 22:29:59 GMT
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Post by LFC on May 18, 2021 19:11:19 GMT
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Post by LFC on Jun 10, 2021 20:56:37 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Jun 10, 2021 23:37:10 GMT
There was a cost/benefit analysis done here. And I agree getting money into people's hands was more important than worrying about fraud. Too bad our law enforcement types seem unequal to the task of tracking the professional criminals. They work far more quickly than your basic two bit individual thief trying to make a quick buck. It's why I laugh at the thought of all the "proof" a TANF recipient must show and reshow to get anything. Watch the pennies while the $1000 bills fly out the back door.
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pnwguy
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Post by pnwguy on Jun 10, 2021 23:54:58 GMT
There was a cost/benefit analysis done here. And I agree getting money into people's hands was more important than worrying about fraud. Too bad our law enforcement types seem unequal to the task of tracking the professional criminals. They work far more quickly than your basic two bit individual thief trying to make a quick buck. It's why I laugh at the thought of all the "proof" a TANF recipient must show and reshow to get anything. Watch the pennies while the $1000 bills fly out the back door. Of course, the Dumpster Administration would have been the one to monitor and prosecute these criminals, so that's on par with IRS auditing. Look the other way when it comes to "businesses".
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Post by goldenvalley on Dec 1, 2022 18:08:01 GMT
And now we learn about the . I bring this up not to repeat the old trope that government can't do anything right, but to point out that some of the private companies that formed around this program were, shall we say, not interested in the intent of the program. Now I don't expect much from a program that was thrown together quickly and supposed to be administered by the Small Business Administration which has always seemed a bit useless due to lack of funding. But as someone closely involved with a small nonprofit that desperately needed PPP and struggled to find funders, the following makes me angry: I continue to believe that the overall concept of the PPP loans was valid, but it annoys me that private entities are unethical in their handling of it at the expense of many businesses. It further annoys me that certain politicians will ignore the private entity culpability and will tout this as a failure of government alone.
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jackd
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Post by jackd on Dec 1, 2022 20:26:26 GMT
Large amounts of money appropriated in crisis or emergency situations are always targets for the unscrupulous and the government rarely seems to have the personnel or competence to guard against them. Clinton wasn't wrong about "welfare queens' but they were small timers compared to the corporate thieves.
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Post by goldenvalley on Dec 1, 2022 20:34:08 GMT
they were small timers compared to the corporate thieves. I will never understand the small mindedness of people...literally small. They understand the concept of a single person cheating, but they cannot get their brains around organized large scale theft. Somehow it's just not real to people so they don't get upset by it. And/or they sort of admire it and blame the victims for allowing themselves to get ripped off.
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Post by LFC on Dec 1, 2022 22:13:01 GMT
I continue to believe that the overall concept of the PPP loans was valid, but it annoys me that private entities are unethical in their handling of it at the expense of many businesses. It further annoys me that certain politicians will ignore the private entity culpability and will tout this as a failure of government alone. Massive failure in the implementation of a government program? Handing out cash to rich people without oversight? Actually be in government, screw up, and then blame "the government?" It's the Republican way!
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