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Post by LFC on Jul 21, 2021 20:54:16 GMT
McConnell appears to be moving forward with the strategy of shutting down the government to block the Democrats' bill. Here's the opener but there are live-blogged posts of the action. If they pass everything via reconciliation the Republicans will be in a position where they shut the government down but have to point to past legislation for a reasoning, at which point Dems can demand all tax cuts be on the table at the same time. It's not nearly as strong a hand as being able to threaten a shutdown BEFORE the Dems pass their bill. I think it's abundantly clear now that the Republicans' plan all along was to run out the clock until the debt ceiling needed to be raised. Schumer clearly understood that.
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Post by jackd on Jul 21, 2021 23:00:27 GMT
The debt ceiling shutdown cold be totally finessed if, as Bill Clinton advised during the Obama administration, the administration relied on the 14th Amendments requirement that all federal debts be honored. Obama said Lawrence Tribe told him that that argument wouldn't fly and many of us, myself included. yelled, "Get a new lawyer!" The debt ceiling applies only to new debt, not existing debt.
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Post by LFC on Jul 22, 2021 17:28:32 GMT
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Post by LFC on Jul 23, 2021 16:43:11 GMT
Rural Republicans once again have their hands out. They represent an ever shrinking percent of the population and a much smaller percentage of GDP but they never shirk from demanding more, more, and more from the "makers."
Here's an urban, suburban, rural breakdown per Pew. Public transportation obviously benefits urban and nearby suburban areas the most. That's likely over half the population of the country and, following the stories of the past two elections, 2/3 of the nation's GDP.
This is the macro version of what we have here in PA. Some years back they were trying to get more funding for public transportation for the 5-county Philadelphia region. Some rural county snapperhead whined about having "their" tax dollars going for that until another legislator in the region noted that the 5 counties only get to keep 60% of their gas taxes. He made the offer that the legislature rescind all funding but the 5 counties get to keep ALL of their gas taxes. Can you say, lead balloon? Republicans have no interest in everybody keeping their own. They depend on Democratic welfare even though they won't admit it.
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Post by LFC on Jul 26, 2021 18:07:43 GMT
Portman is whining that he's having his feet held to the fire. It's past put up or shut up time. He knew when he started this process that he was on a deadline and that the Democrats were going to pass a different reconciliation bill.
If you're 90% then put on your big boy pants and f***ing finish. Chuck and Nancy aren't going to give you a few more months.
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Post by LFC on Jul 29, 2021 16:42:25 GMT
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Post by jackd on Jul 29, 2021 16:51:33 GMT
I hope he's right.
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Post by LFC on Jul 29, 2021 17:18:17 GMT
I didn't realize she moved around from Green to progressive to moderate. It really does sound like she's the ultimate political chameleon. She'll never get to keep her seat as a Republican (unless of course she goes full metal MTG) but she also won't keep it if she torpedoes a host of key Democratic policies. Personal political survival seems to be her one principle.
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Post by indy on Jul 30, 2021 12:11:32 GMT
I agree with Josh Marshall and there is a fundamental difference between Manchin and Sinema and maybe he is right that she will get on board with a slightly reduced Democrat-only reconciliation bill. I would say the dual infrastructure strategy is currently on track but I still think it can be blown up any minute, not only by Sinema but also by the fact that the bill needs virtually every Democratic vote in the House. You never know what grandstanding will take place there once just a couple of them get whiff of the idea that they can hold the bill hostage if they want.
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Post by Traveler on Jul 30, 2021 12:53:53 GMT
Agree. But I do think the stars are finally aligned. The progs better realize most of the loaf is a lot better than none. Pretty sure Pelosi will keep them in line. None can afford to live down the consequences of blowing up the deal. Bottom line, Manchin is totally on board and Sinnema is on board as well, regardless of her flaking out. The POG has backed themselves into a corner. Either they approve the bipartisan deal, or its gonna get rammed down their throat without them being able to claim any credit. Of course, this is all pretty obvious now, but it wasn't until Manchin finally got his bipartisan vote teed up.
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Post by LFC on Aug 9, 2021 18:32:08 GMT
Loads of info coming out on this but it looks like the smaller infrastructure bill is moving forward. In the meantime the Dems look relatively on track to roll on their reconciliation bill. Here's TPM's live coverage.
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Post by LFC on Aug 9, 2021 18:37:11 GMT
Politico notes that the Dems didn't include raising the debt ceiling in their bill. Good! The overwhelming majority of the debt since 2000 lands squarely in the laps of Republicans. Tax cuts. Medicare Part D. Bush years drunken spending. Meanwhile Obama got rid of many of the Bush tax cuts and the ACA was paid for. (The Bush Bust relief package was not.)
From a link in that article here's a little older info on how Dems are looking to pay for it.
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Post by LFC on Aug 9, 2021 22:01:12 GMT
Josh Marshall responds to an op-ed by Alex Pareene in the NYT which is brimming with "oh noes!" and sage prognostications about how the Democrats could have done soooooo much. As Josh points out there is, once again, a massive disconnect from political reality in the piece. It's a little long but worth the read since it's Josh using his analytical strengths.
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Post by jackd on Aug 9, 2021 22:03:51 GMT
And, as I observed in an earlier comment, there's the 14th Amendment. Obligations of the federal government already incurred cannot be denied.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 3:21:09 GMT
And, as I observed in an earlier comment, there's the 14th Amendment. Obligations of the federal government already incurred cannot be denied. Hmmm. Do you want to take the risk of the Supremes coming up with a fresh interpretation of the 14th? Do ya feel lucky ____?
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Post by LFC on Aug 10, 2021 15:14:35 GMT
As we head towards the inevitable right-wing screeching over the Democrats' reconciliation bill I'd like to remind people of the difference between the spending by the two parties. The Dems are trying to figure out how to pay for their bill. Sure there will be economic tricks that ensure it's not really fully funded but I expect it to be funded at a very high percentage.
Let's compare that to the Republicans' passage of Medicare Part D and it's lack of funding.
I think this sums up Republican spending and revenue cuts. They never pay for anything and haven't for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 16:15:24 GMT
Don't understand why it's so difficult to pay for anything, especially because we have been doing so for decades. Sell the debt to the world. The biggest American export. American debt is the financial instrument that quantifies the amorphous idea of security and stability. The world is buying that from America with cash. The debt paper is just vehicle of transaction. On our side the ROI easily pays for the debt servicing cost. See?!
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Post by jackd on Aug 10, 2021 16:37:53 GMT
Not risking a bad interpretation of the 14th Amendment by this court is leaving that bad interpretation in place by default.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 18:44:35 GMT
Birthright citizenship only for the right kind of births. You're now warned.
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Post by jackd on Aug 10, 2021 19:20:19 GMT
I assume that's a joke.
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Post by LFC on Aug 10, 2021 21:12:56 GMT
It's so tough to tell anymore.
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Post by LFC on Aug 10, 2021 21:37:03 GMT
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Post by LFC on Aug 11, 2021 20:32:41 GMT
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Post by LFC on Aug 17, 2021 15:38:17 GMT
I cringe at what the Democratically House would have looked like if the inexperienced and not particularly bright had succeeded in ousting her. The Republicans would have run them over like they weren't even there. Thanks heavens there's a strong, firm hand on the tiller.
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 17, 2021 15:58:18 GMT
I cringe at what the Democratically House would have looked like if the inexperienced and not particularly bright had succeeded in ousting her. The Republicans would have run them over like they weren't even there. Thanks heavens there's a strong, firm hand on the tiller.
This is the first time in a while that Congress members have actually had a bill to work with. The Covid relief bills don't count because that was an emergency and even most Republicans didn't haggle over them. There are many new people in Congress and they're not accustomed to compromise and, dare I say it, pork to bring home to their districts. They may find their ideology and the lure of bringing something concrete (ar ar) to their districts conflict. We'll see what they value more.
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