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Post by LFC on Apr 5, 2021 17:43:34 GMT
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Post by LFC on Apr 5, 2021 18:03:39 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Apr 7, 2021 15:53:20 GMT
I don't know that anything can be done about this. I don't think any of them will ever see any evidence to convince them they are mistaken or were misled. They seem to be too much invested in the idea to ever give it up. If life goes on relatively unchanged in the country except for COVID being less of a problem, will they forget about it and/or conclude the election was stolen but it didn't end up hurting anything that actually touches their lives? Would the fire dim in their minds?
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Post by LFC on Apr 7, 2021 20:11:49 GMT
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Post by LFC on Apr 7, 2021 22:08:05 GMT
The spectacle of Moscow Mitch's spittle filled rages against the cause he spent decades fighting for is positively schadenfreudelicious. Just as the Trump and the MAGAts ended up being a tiger they rode but couldn't tame he now has the same problem with companies who have decided their free speech rights including standing up for democracy, and we know we can't have that kind of shit going on. Chait covers the Republican meltdown in all its glory.
They're gobsmacked that corporations don't mostly walk in goose step lock step with them anymore. That means any "principles" concerning their free speech have been dropped faster than an invitation to take a ride in Madison Cawthorn's car. They are, however, faced with the reality that companies cater to cash and the majority of the cash (other than for MyPillows, gold, and prepper kits) is in mostly blue areas. And the top consumers are younger people who don't think like rank and file Republicans and in fact are horrified by them.
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Post by LFC on Apr 7, 2021 22:14:50 GMT
More screeching from Republicans horrified that companies would use the First Amendment rights the GOP fought so hard to hand to them for something the party didn't approve of. Corporations are people too and they speak up on issues they see as benefiting them.
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Post by LFC on Apr 8, 2021 15:00:51 GMT
I'm now of the opinion that if I hear/read anybody using the terms "woke" or "cancel culture" I can immediately assume that whatever they have to say is in bad faith. Moscow Mitch just reminded of the much older standby, " playing the race card."
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Post by LFC on Apr 8, 2021 16:18:53 GMT
Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texasshole) is now pulling a full blown Frank Luntz and calling the use of companies' free speech, which the Republicans have spent decades elevating and defending, "progressive fascism."
Calling out their real fascism is now fascism. Welcome to the truly Orwellian GOP.
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Post by LFC on Apr 9, 2021 17:56:31 GMT
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Post by pnwguy on Apr 9, 2021 21:09:53 GMT
How could any one of us miss the chance to see LOUIE GOHMERT in person! He's such a leading intellectual in GOP circles and his three daughter would probably receive future Nobel Prizes, if their husbands allow them to work outside of the home.
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Post by LFC on Apr 9, 2021 21:57:17 GMT
On the issue of wokeness and cancel culture Andrew Sullivan is indistinguishable from Tucker Carlson. This was his recent piece about the trans issue where he seems to be trying to stake out a bit of a sensible middle ground, albeit using a few too many examples and generalizations of the left that are pure Dreherisms. Then we have this (bold mine).
"For some radical feminists" is a lead-in that Dreher could have written. "Some?" How many? Do they have control of the agenda? Please show your work.
I wonder how pre-marriage equality Andrew would have reacted to a statement like "The woke establishment — all major corporations, the federal government, the universities, all cultural institutions, the mainstream media and now the medical authorities — are unequivocally on the side of anything the trans gay activists want." Yeah, yeah. I know. This time it's different.
And that book comparison is straight out of Faux News. To the culture war right, which Andrew seems to be joining, selling a monumentally historically significant book written by a man who is (mostly) viewed as a monster is the same thing as selling a book of no scientific value and filled with bad faith arguments that are directly designed to attack a group of people because of how they were born. Defending a bad faith argument with a bad faith argument. Looks like Andrew is still a Republican after all.
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Post by LFC on Apr 13, 2021 19:52:11 GMT
The perpetually truth challenged Ron DeSantis's screech that his lies being pulled down off of YouTube is " Orwellian" is ... well, Orwellian.
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Post by LFC on Apr 14, 2021 21:52:46 GMT
This is a piece by somebody who has been covering conspiracy theorists for a long time but it's interesting to me. Despite actually being international in scope it's the parts that impact us here in the U.S. that I'm most interested in.
He describes his interactions with a Muslim man and his son and then ties this together.
And then there's Facebook. Or more importantly the executive at Facebook who was responsible for killing the early attempts at reigning in the algorithms that were expanding the visibility of the conspiracy groups. Read on about Kaplan. Zuckerberg picked a real winner with this a-hole.
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Post by goldenvalley on Apr 14, 2021 22:12:49 GMT
The Jon Ronson book is worth a read even if it is 20 years old. It's one of those that stuck in my mind, so when I read about QAnon, I recognize the kind of people that fall in with or create some of the wilder conspiracy theories. They are all so convinced that only they are smart enough to ferret out the truth and truth can be quite out of sync with reality.
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Post by andydp on Apr 15, 2021 11:51:34 GMT
The Jon Ronson book is worth a read even if it is 20 years old. It's one of those that stuck in my mind, so when I read about QAnon, I recognize the kind of people that fall in with or create some of the wilder conspiracy theories. They are all so convinced that only they are smart enough to ferret out the truth and truth can be quite out of sync with reality. I usually ask them what color the sky is in their world.
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Post by LFC on Apr 19, 2021 21:42:42 GMT
The assault on reality continues as TAC puts up a piece that, like those before it, appeal to people's feelings about the integrity of the election rather than actual data that has shown over and over again that there was virtually no fraud and certainly not enough to matter. That's an amazingly quick turnaround from the side that coined "F*** YOUR FEELINGS!" Read just the opener for an absolute basket of lies and avoidance of the actual evidence we have in hand. I love the line "with the courts having closed their doors" rather than "with over 80 lawsuits having crashed and burned in the courts for lack of evidence."
This comment summed up my views on this steaming pile of lies so well I figured I'd just quote it.
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Post by pnwguy on Apr 20, 2021 15:58:23 GMT
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Post by LFC on Apr 23, 2021 20:39:17 GMT
The assault on reality has right-wing law enforcement officials and agencies chasing tales of BLM and Anitfa coming to attack their communities. It's both sad and dangerously scary.
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Post by LFC on Apr 27, 2021 20:04:16 GMT
Global warming, the latest outrage for anti-science right-wing parents.
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Post by LFC on Apr 28, 2021 15:12:11 GMT
TPM has a good piece ( paywalled) on the history of the Republican assault on the CBO. I remember Paul Ryan et al screeching about the CBO not using "dynamic scoring" i.e. magic numbers that have no evidence of being anything more than magical thinking. If you can't meet the numbers you need then change how the math works. In full:
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Post by LFC on Apr 28, 2021 15:17:35 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Apr 28, 2021 15:28:28 GMT
The point of the story was to stoke outrage. And it did, just like the fulminating over light bulb choices, low flush toilets, etc. Rage and grievance, that's all there is to it. From there it's easy to point to AOC, Biden, Sanders, Democrats as the enemy of all that is familiar to people.
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Post by LFC on Apr 28, 2021 21:17:52 GMT
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Post by LFC on May 4, 2021 16:04:44 GMT
The Republican Party is completing its transition to a post-truth political party ( paywalled).
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Post by LFC on May 4, 2021 20:03:59 GMT
Feeding people complete and total bullshit and having them declare it's the most delicious chocolate desert they've ever eaten continues to work flawlessly with the MAGAts. They truly believe the Arizona recount is going to finally be the big reveal on massive Democratic voter fraud.
Oooooooo! Cue dramatic music!
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