AnBr
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Post by AnBr on Mar 30, 2022 15:48:19 GMT
Just what clean energy needs, a f***ing scam organization. CleanChoice Energy has apparently been sued in multiple states for deceptive business practices and unexplained price hikes. They sent me something to get me to switch. Something did not seem right about their offer.
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Post by LFC on Mar 31, 2022 16:44:13 GMT
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Post by LFC on Apr 1, 2022 20:26:45 GMT
Oof. How ugly does it have to get before California accepts the need for wholesale change including both major water conservation efforts (residential AND agricultural) and coughing up big cash for desalination.
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Post by goldenvalley on Apr 1, 2022 20:51:59 GMT
Oof. How ugly does it have to get before California accepts the need for wholesale change including both major water conservation efforts (residential AND agricultural) and coughing up big cash for desalination. Easier said than done. Big Ag fights tooth and nail...as far as it's concerned the urban areas should just be cleared of people. Desalination works for small amounts of water, but it produces some very highly concentrated brine that is bad for everyone. What do we do with that stuff?
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Post by LFC on Apr 1, 2022 21:13:40 GMT
Desalination works for small amounts of water, but it produces some very highly concentrated brine that is bad for everyone. What do we do with that stuff? Dump it back in the ocean. I've never heard of it creating enough of a salinity shift to hurt much of anything though I'm open to hearing about it if that's actually true.
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andydp
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Post by andydp on Apr 1, 2022 21:39:06 GMT
Desalination works for small amounts of water, but it produces some very highly concentrated brine that is bad for everyone. What do we do with that stuff? Dump it back in the ocean. I've never heard of it creating enough of a salinity shift to hurt much of anything though I'm open to hearing about it if that's actually true. I’ve also read brine is a source of lithium for the EV market. If it works it would reduce dependence of foreign sources.
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Post by goldenvalley on Apr 1, 2022 21:56:17 GMT
Dump it back in the ocean. I've never heard of it creating enough of a salinity shift to hurt much of anything though I'm open to hearing about it if that's actually true. I’ve also read brine is a source of lithium for the EV market. If it works it would reduce dependence of foreign sources. California has 12 desalination plants and maybe one in the works. There is concern that the high concentration of brine disrupts ocean bottoms, plants, and some species.
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Post by LFC on Apr 4, 2022 19:15:10 GMT
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Post by LFC on Apr 5, 2022 22:01:03 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Apr 6, 2022 1:53:23 GMT
Yup and the governor has been busy issuing orders. Three years ago residential users did a pretty good job of restricting water use. My local water supplier (a governmental agency) restricted us to above ground watering to one day a week and drip systems to twice per week. I was collecting shower water to flush toilets and water a few potted plants outdoors. I am expecting that to happen again.
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Post by LFC on Apr 6, 2022 13:07:19 GMT
Yup and the governor has been busy issuing orders. Three years ago residential users did a pretty good job of restricting water use. My local water supplier (a governmental agency) restricted us to above ground watering to one day a week and drip systems to twice per week. I was collecting shower water to flush toilets and water a few potted plants outdoors. I am expecting that to happen again. Have they made any real progress getting the ag sector to go to more efficient irrigation or do they want to keep spraying water all over the place during hot days when much will evaporate?
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Post by goldenvalley on Apr 6, 2022 15:30:15 GMT
Yup and the governor has been busy issuing orders. Three years ago residential users did a pretty good job of restricting water use. My local water supplier (a governmental agency) restricted us to above ground watering to one day a week and drip systems to twice per week. I was collecting shower water to flush toilets and water a few potted plants outdoors. I am expecting that to happen again. Have they made any real progress getting the ag sector to go to more efficient irrigation or do they want to keep spraying water all over the place during hot days when much will evaporate? Here's a quick summary from University of California, Davis. I think the cost of water acquisition is driving more efficient practices more than any governmental action. Almond and other nut farming sucks up a lot of water. The groves cannot be fallowed in dry years or the trees will die. And the ag world complains a lot about water set aside for aquatic habitat...all that water running into the ocean.
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Post by LFC on Apr 6, 2022 21:20:08 GMT
And the ag world complains a lot about water set aside for aquatic habitat...all that water running into the ocean. Yep, because commercial fishermen and people who make their living providing services to people who use the water for recreational purposes don't deserve to make a living. Clearly farmers should always get first dibs even after they've used up everything they've been allocated.
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pnwguy
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Post by pnwguy on Apr 6, 2022 21:40:31 GMT
And the ag world complains a lot about water set aside for aquatic habitat...all that water running into the ocean. Yep, because commercial fishermen and people who make their living providing services to people who use the water for recreational purposes don't deserve to make a living. Clearly farmers should always get first dibs even after they've used up everything they've been allocated. Just like the Colorado river, when it reaches (some years) Mexico.
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Post by LFC on Apr 7, 2022 19:02:58 GMT
More dammed lakes are at critically low levels.
I read recently that coal generation just barely surpassed green energy again last year even though both solar and wind projects are pushing forward. One of the reasons is that hydroelectric is way down. In fact the reduction in hydro power was virtually the same amount as the big increase in solar.
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Post by LFC on Apr 7, 2022 21:35:14 GMT
What was that about tipping points? The more warming the more methane in cold areas where it was previously sequestered.
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Post by LFC on Apr 12, 2022 15:30:20 GMT
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Post by LFC on Apr 14, 2022 18:15:09 GMT
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Post by LFC on Apr 14, 2022 21:06:04 GMT
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pnwguy
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Post by pnwguy on Apr 20, 2022 15:40:02 GMT
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Post by LFC on Apr 29, 2022 19:44:14 GMT
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pnwguy
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Post by pnwguy on Apr 29, 2022 22:36:15 GMT
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Post by LFC on May 4, 2022 19:15:43 GMT
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jackd
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Post by jackd on May 4, 2022 19:25:18 GMT
What should they do?
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Post by LFC on May 4, 2022 19:34:50 GMT
Other than the long-term issue of controlling greenhouse gases they need to force conservation measures at every level. That includes the farms as well as the residents. The days of using scarce (and growing scarcer) surface and ground water like it just falls from the sky (which it doesn't, especially now) need to be ended. Bye-bye lawns. Bye-bye open air spray irrigation in deserts and other dry, hot areas. And time to start coughing up for desalination.
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