Police Behavior and What To Do About It

[Bact PhD]

Jul 26, 2021 17:15:32 GMT LFC said:

The Pasco County, FL Sheriff's Office has created a broad surveillance program of people they view as potential future criminals, including schoolchildren. I wonder where the MAGAts who supposedly abhor the "deep state" are now?

Last year, a Tampa Bay Times investigation revealed that the Sheriff’s Office creates lists of people it considers likely to break the law based on criminal histories, social networks and other unspecified intelligence. The agency sends deputies to their homes repeatedly, often without a search warrant or probable cause for an arrest.

Targets and their relatives, including four who are now suing the Sheriff’s Office in federal court, described the tactics as harassment and a violation of their constitutional rights. National policing experts drew comparisons to child abuse and surveillance that could be expected under an authoritarian regime.

The Times also found that the agency has a separate program that uses schoolchildren’s grades, attendance records and abuse histories to label them potential future criminals.

Earlier this year, Sheriff Chris Nocco and the Pasco County school district announced they would scale back some features of the school-data program. But the letter signals a broadening of the core program.

There's a pitch in defense of the program.

In an online video, Sheriff’s Office Captain Toni Roach says being selected is “good news” because participants will “have the opportunity to receive assistance from the Pasco Sheriff’s Office and several community partners.”

And, as expected, there's the reality of it.

The Times found being named a Sheriff’s Office target could have serious consequences. Deputies showed up at homes at all hours of the day and night, writing tickets for violations like overgrown grass and making arrests for any reason they could find.

By 2020, some 1,000 people had been ensnared. About 100 were 18 years old or younger.

Pasco County. NOT surprised. Wonder if they looked at “opioid prescriptions” in their criteria? Somehow, I doubt it.

[jackd]

Wonder what percentage were "of color".

[AnBr]

Jul 26, 2021 17:15:32 GMT LFC said:

The Pasco County, FL Sheriff's Office has created a broad surveillance program of people they view as potential future criminals, including schoolchildren. I wonder where the MAGAts who supposedly abhor the "deep state" are now?

Sounds like a good case for the ACLU to take on.

[pnwguy]

Jul 26, 2021 17:46:03 GMT RichTBikkies said:

I bet most of them were Black criminals.

FIFY

"What's the difference?"

[LFC]

The General of the Warrior Police of Detroit wants to be governor. Tuckums and Ingraham love the idea. This is the department that decided that if you or your group is a bit too loud or uppity they can feel free to beat the crap out of you. So much for the constitutional right to protest.

It was July 2020, and Nakia Wallace was on the streets of Detroit when, she says, police threw a young man to the ground and placed a knee on his neck. Along with dozens of others, Wallace was protesting the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis. The action was just one of more than 100 she said she went on to organize in the city, and now it seemed like cops might be recreating the nightmarish arrest that sparked a nationwide uprising.

According to Wallace, she yelled at the cops attacking the man, and soon found herself swarmed by police herself—before being thrown to the ground and placed in a chokehold.

“They began to just beat everybody up,” Wallace told The Daily Beast.

The violence, she continued, was just one episode in what body-camera footage and lawsuits against the police department suggest was a veritable orgy of violent crackdowns on almost exclusively peaceful protesters. Among other highlights, cops allegedly used a car to ram into protesters, showered them indiscriminately with rubber bullets, and tear gassed them, sending many to the hospital.

The crackdown came under the leadership of James Craig, the Black chief of police in Detroit who took the reins in the city in 2013 after previous stints in Maine, Cincinnati, and the Los Angeles Police Department. He has since retired from the role.

But in interviews on Fox News with the likes of Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham that began well before his retirement, Craig has defended his aggressive response last summer as the reason his city didn’t “burn” like Portland or Seattle. He paints his officers as coming under vicious attack despite mounting lawsuits, court-ordered injunctions to stop their use of force, dropped charges against protesters, and calls by local lawmakers for an independent probe into the police response.

Now, Craig, 64, is pointing to his officers’ brute force last summer as a reason why he should be the next governor of Michigan. In his first campaign ad released on Wednesday, Craig drives around Detroit in a car, touting his leadership during the unrest. “We know Seattle burned, Portland burned. Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia—burned,” he said. “But not Detroit.”

The reason? “We never retreated,” he said of his police department.

[pnwguy]

Charlie Sykes interview today was a fascinating interview with a white conservative lawyer who chronicles and fights police brutality.

podcast.thebulwark.com/greg-doucette-cops-videos-and-violence

[LFC]

What can you do to adjust police behavior if they're ignorant, gullible, and flat out stupid? You know, Republicans.

To successfully combat violent, far-right extremism in a post-Trump America, you absolutely do not need a new domestic front in the disastrous War on Terror. What you do need is for law enforcement to simply enforce laws that have been on the books for ages.

Also, it would be helpful if fewer cops ended up taking the side of MAGA extremists, far-right conspiracy theorists, and—of course—the Trumpist Capitol rioters.

On this week’s episode of The Daily Beast’s Fever Dreams podcast, hosts Asawin Suebsaeng and Kelly Weill welcome NBC News journalist (and Daily Beast alumnus) Ben Collins, who breaks down some of his latest reporting and investigations into online disinformation and political extremism—and how that kind of absurd disinformation can warp a police department’s priorities.

“Last year, there were these rumors of antifa buses that existed solely on the dumbest accounts on Instagram and Facebook. They didn’t exist. There’s no such thing as… this marauding magic school bus of antifa people just going around,” Collins recounted. “However, law enforcement [in California] put a helicopter in the sky to try to find an ‘Antifa bus’ that was rumored on Instagram and Facebook, in one of the dumbest Instagram posts that you’ll ever see. They take that very seriously, when a lot of this stuff… is coming from the militias… This isn’t just a police thing, or a training thing. It’s like, how are law enforcement so targeted algorithmically by this stuff? Or how are they falling down these rabbit holes?”

Collins pointed out that “one of the biggest vectors last year of these, ‘Antifa is coming to your house personally to, you know, take your grandma’s medicine’ stuff was police Facebook pages, who have like blue checks next to the name on Facebook, who are trusted by the community… So there's a larger systemic problem there with how police interact with social media on a local level.”

[andydp]

Aug 26, 2021 13:43:39 GMT LFC said:

What can you do to adjust police behavior if they're ignorant, gullible, and flat out stupid? You know, Republicans.

“Last year, there were these rumors of antifa buses that existed solely on the dumbest accounts on Instagram and Facebook. They didn’t exist. There’s no such thing as… this marauding magic school bus of antifa people just going around,” Collins recounted. “However, law enforcement [in California] put a helicopter in the sky to try to find an ‘Antifa bus’ that was rumored on Instagram and Facebook, in one of the dumbest Instagram posts that you’ll ever see. They take that very seriously, when a lot of this stuff… is coming from the militias… This isn’t just a police thing, or a training thing. It’s like, how are law enforcement so targeted algorithmically by this stuff? Or how are they falling down these rabbit holes?”

Why am I reminded of this:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3oCB9RdiB4

[LFC]

There are too many men stuck in their adolescence in law enforcement. And they have powerful supporters who also never fully achieved adulthood.

U.S. Marshal: I Was Fired for Protecting a Gay Colleague

In the summer of 2015, deputy U.S. Marshal Dawn Mahoney went to her supervisor for help. A gay woman and Army vet, Mahoney claimed some of her male colleagues in the New York/New Jersey Regional Fugitive Task Force were harassing her relentlessly, and that the office culture was akin to the movie Animal House, but with guns.

At one point, she claimed, someone in her office in Central Islip, New York, urinated in a cookie jar on her desk. In another episode, a task force member allegedly gazed at her body and said, “Look at you, you sexy bitch,” before grabbing her waist when she walked past him.

One of those lawmen was later accused of shoving her from behind as she monitored a woman inside a house during the execution of a search warrant. She told the U.S. Marshals Service Office of Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) that she believed her coworker’s actions were “premeditated,” records show, and that “his presence there was to instill fear in her and to send a message.”

Mahoney told Bobby Ledogar, then a Supervisory Deputy U.S. Marshal for the Eastern District of New York, that she was concerned for her safety because of the alleged bullying, which she believed was escalating and potentially dangerous in the field.

Ledogar, who worked in both Brooklyn and Central Islip federal courts and was a warrant-squad supervisor, reported the shoving incident up the chain of command—to then-U.S. Marshal for the Eastern District of New York Charles Dunne, and Chief Deputy Bryan Mullee—and pressed for an internal investigation.

But Ledogar says that after he defended Mahoney, the U.S. Marshals Service initiated four internal affairs investigations—what his attorneys have referred to as “fishing expeditions”—against him in as many years. One of those probes led to his termination last year, when he was 70 days away from retirement. In Mahoney’s case, internal affairs closed its inquiry into her claims of harassment without taking action, and when the agency investigated the shoving incident, it found her accusations “unsubstantiated.”

Now Ledogar is fighting for his pension and appealing his termination, which he claims was retaliation for exposing the harassment of his subordinate—at a time when the federal law enforcement agency was under pressure from a Senate investigation. The 51-year-old Navy veteran, who served in the Gulf War, was with the U.S. Marshals since 1995 and has received 166 letters of support from law enforcement colleagues and managers in response to the agency’s proposals in 2017 and 2020 to remove him from federal service.

Those endorsements did little to dissuade agency headquarters from terminating him based on charges including, among others, conduct unbecoming a Supervisory Deputy U.S. Marshal, lack of candor, misuse of position and misuse of a government property-IT device—a charge relating to photos on his government phone of a fugitive model’s Playboy spread.

[LFC]

Oops! I guess it was just an "honest" mistake.

Sheriff’s deputies in Colorado tracked down and arrested a man using Apple’s Find My iOS app, claiming that an officer had “lost” his work phone in the bed of the man’s truck after the suspect fled the scene. The unique case, first reported by Denver NBC affiliate 9News, could serve as a constitutional test of warrantless location tracking.

The Weld County Sheriff’s Office said in a press release that Deputy Travis Peck pulled over Steven Sandoval at 1:15 a.m. local time, pursuant to a suspicious person report. Peck identified Sandoval, 51, who was wanted for failure to appear in court and flight to avoid prosecution, by pulling up mugshots on a “county-issued” phone. While trying to persuade Sandoval to get out of the car, according to the release, Peck left the phone on the rail of the truck bed in order to retrieve his handcuffs. The phone allegedly fell into the truck as Sandoval sped off.

That’s plausible, but then the release proceeds to go into apologetics about his motives for finding the phone.

“A short time later,” it reads, “the deputy realized his cellphone was missing. Considering it is county property, the deputy felt it was important to locate the phone as quickly as possible. He used his personal cellphone to call another deputy to have him find it using the ‘Find My iPhone’ app.”

Characterizing the placement of the phone on Sandoval’s truck as an accident may be central to the constitutionality of the case. In 2012, the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Jones that police must have a warrant in order to attach a GPS tracking device to a vehicle; as a result, the Court reversed a conviction made using that tactic. “It was just kind of a weird happenstance that it fell into the truck bed and not on the ground,” Joseph Moylan, public information officer for Weld County Sheriff’s Office, told Gizmodo in a phone call. “He didn’t throw it in there.”

I'm sure he didn't throw it in there. I'm vastly less sure he didn't place it gently in there.

[LFC]

Finally some indictments in a two year old murder by police.

A grand jury has returned a 32-count indictment against two Aurora police officers, one ex-officer and two local paramedics in the death of Elijah McClain, Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser said on Wednesday.

All five defendants—Aurora Police officers Randy Roedema and Nathan Woodyard, former officer Jason Rosenblatt, and fire paramedics Jeremy Cooper and Lt. Peter Cichuniec—face one count of manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide, according to the unsealed indictment.

The officers had been trained and knew that the hold they placed McClain in “posed dangers and should never be administered more than once,” the indictment said.

Roedema, the senior patrol officer at the scene, and Rosenblatt, also face second-degree assault charges for causing serious bodily injury to McClain.

Cooper and Cichuniec were also charged with second degree assault for causing bodily injury, by means of a deadly weapon, after they used ketamine to sedate McClain without making any effort to check his vital signs or consulting with McClain, the indictment said.

The paramedics “deviated from the standard protocols” and failed to properly assess McClain when they injected him with an anesthetic dose of the drug, according to the indictment.

Prosecutors said that a forensic pathologist found that McClain had died from “acute Ketamine administration during violent subdual and restraint by law enforcement and emergency response personnel, and the manner of death was homicide.”

I saw the video this morning. It was gut wrenching. It literally came down to "RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!" against a young black man who was simply walking home with a bag of groceries. This shows how serious these murderers and their enablers took his death.

Shortly after McClain’s death, Adams County District Attorney Dave Young cleared the officers of criminal wrongdoing. Then-Aurora police chief Nick Metz also said that the officers had not violated department policies. (Rosenblatt was later fired for texting “ha ha” in response to a photo of colleagues jokingly reenacting a chokehold at the spot where McClain was arrested.)

But, in February, city officials released a 157-page report on the investigation into McClain’s death that detailed a series of errors made by the officers who stopped McClain, the police investigators who sought to cover their tracks, and the paramedics who responded to the scene.

The officers had no legal justification for stopping McClain on the basis of the 911 call and also lacked constitutional basis for frisking McClain, forcing him to the ground, and using multiple carotid holds on him, the report found.

The Aurora PD is STILL defending their actions. They're playing the victim, of course.

The Aurora Police Association’s board of directors stood by the officers, claiming in a Wednesday statement that McClain “died due to a combination of exertion due to his decision to violently resist arrest and a pre-existing heart condition.”

“The hysterical overreaction to this case has severely damaged the police department,” the statement said.

A separate Attorney General’s Office probe is looking at whether the Aurora police and fire departments’ practices and policies violate residents’ civil rights.

[LFC]

Nothing to see here, but only because they desperately made sure it stayed hidden.

The most violent videos languished for years, lost or ignored in a digital vault. Louisiana State Police troopers and top brass alike would often look the other way, even as officers took to official messaging channels to banter about their brutality.

In one video, white troopers can be seen slamming a Black man against a police cruiser after finding marijuana in his car, throwing him to the ground and repeatedly punching him — all while he is handcuffed.

In another, a white trooper pummels a Black man at a traffic stop 18 times with a flashlight, leaving him with a broken jaw, broken ribs and a gash to his head. That footage was mislabeled and it took 536 days and a lawsuit for police to look into it.

And yet another video shows a white trooper coldcocking a Hispanic drug trafficking suspect as he stood calmly by a highway, an unprovoked attack never mentioned in any report and only investigated when the footage was discovered by an outraged federal judge.

As the Louisiana State Police reel from the fallout of the deadly 2019 arrest of Ronald Greene — a case blown open this year by long-withheld video of troopers stunning, punching and dragging the Black motorist — an Associated Press investigation has revealed it is part of a pattern of violence kept shrouded in secrecy.

An AP review of internal investigative records and newly obtained videos identified at least a dozen cases over the past decade in which Louisiana State Police troopers or their bosses ignored or concealed evidence of beatings, deflected blame and impeded efforts to root out misconduct.

AP’s review — coming amid a widening federal investigation into state police misconduct — found troopers have made a habit of turning off or muting body cameras during pursuits. When footage is recorded, the agency routinely refuses to release it. And a recently retired supervisor who oversaw a particularly violent clique of troopers told internal investigators this year that it was his “common practice” to rubber-stamp officers’ use-of-force reports without reviewing body-camera video.

In some cases, troopers omitted uses of force such as blows to the head from official reports, and in others troopers sought to justify their actions by claiming suspects were violent, resisting or escaping, all of which were contradicted by video footage.

“Hyper-aggressiveness is winked upon and nodded and allowed to go on,” said Andrew Scott, a former Boca Raton, Florida, police chief and use-of-force expert who reviewed videos obtained by AP. “It’s very clear that the agency accepts that type of behavior.”

But hey, don't call them racists. After all they like that black guy on the force.

Most of those beaten in the cases AP found were Black, in keeping with the agency’s own tally that 67% of its uses of force in recent years have targeted Black people — double the percentage of the state’s Black population. AP reporting revealed that a secret panel the state police set up this year to determine whether troopers systematically abused Black motorists was just as secretly shut down, leaving the agency blind to potential misconduct.

[LFC]

Yep, no racism here.

John Choi said he will never forget July 6, 2016—the day 32-year-old Philando Castile was shot and killed by a St. Anthony Police Department officer during a simple traffic stop over a broken taillight.

When asked for his license and registration, Castile told officer Jeronimo Yanez he had a licensed gun. Yanez, fearful Castile might reach for it, told him not to. But despite Castile’s insistence that he was not reaching for the gun, Yanez fired seven shots from close range, killing him. Later it was revealed Yanez and another officer in the car believed Castile resembled a robbery suspect before they pulled him over.

Choi, the Ramsey County Attorney in Minnesota who charged Yanez for the shooting and later saw Yanez acquitted by a jury, told The Daily Beast he’s never stopped thinking about the way Castile’s interaction with Yanez began—over an innocuous infraction. Choi said it’s the sort of traffic stop that Black people like Castile, who’d been stopped over 40 times before his death, are subject to daily by police officers often fishing for drugs, guns and an easy arrest.

In honor of Castile, Choi announced Wednesday his office will no longer prosecute felony cases resulting from minor traffic stops for violations like an expired registration, overly tinted windows or broken lights. The change, Choi said, is a deliberate attempt to cut down on what he said are unnecessary stops by police of people of color that too often spiral into fatal incidents.

“I'm not going to do this anymore,” Choi told The Daily Beast. “I am not going to perpetuate these unjust practices that disproportionately impact my community.”

Pulled over 40 TIMES by the time he reached 32 years of age!

[LFC]

Apr 26, 2021 16:17:15 GMT LFC said:

Two of these people are severely mentally ill. Neither is the 73-yr old woman with dementia.

The sick, twisted, sadistic, violent cops have been charged and the city had to pony up $3 million. It should have been more and I hope but don't expect the cops to go to jail for a long time.

A 73-year-old woman with dementia, who was violently thrown to the ground by cops for leaving a Walmart with $13 in unpaid goods, has been awarded $3 million by the Colorado city of Loveland. Karen Garner broke her arm and dislocated her shoulder when the two officers, Austin Hopp and Daria Jalali, tackled her to the ground and handcuffed her. The cops were then caught on camera laughing as they watched the body-cam footage back at the station. “I can’t believe I threw a 73-year-old on the ground,” Hopp said as they joked about her shoulder making a “pop” sound.

Garner’s lawyers released an internal police report on Tuesday showing that several higher-ups deemed the use of force to be reasonable. It contradicted Loveland Police Chief Bob Ticer’s claim that the department only realized how violent the arrest was when Garner filed a civil suit. Hopp and Jalali were charged with criminal offenses in May.

[LFC]

Nope, nothing racial here either.

A Black woman says she felt targeted because of her race by a police officer who attempted to tackle her as she was walking her dog in a Chicago park.

In an interview with Good Morning America on Thursday, Nikkita Brown described how a white cop drove up next to her while she was walking in the Lincoln Park neighborhood on Aug. 28 and told her that she needed to leave.

Brown said she then began heading for the exit, but the officer continued to harass her, trailing behind her as she left the park. Meanwhile, she said she noticed that white people in the park hadn’t been confronted by police and asked to leave.

“I walked past four kids that were behind me… white males. As soon as I saw the car pull up, I looked behind me to see if he said anything to the kids. He didn’t,” Brown said.

At one point, the officer got out of his car and threatened Brown that she could “go to jail,” according to a recording of the incident she captured on her cell phone.

Maybe he just had a bad day. Or may he has had a bad career.

The officer has not been named, but records reportedly show that more than two dozen complaints have been filed against him. He has been placed on paid administrative leave since the incident, but Brown wants his identity to be released and for him to be removed from active duty. The Civilian Office of Police Accountability (COPA) is currently investigating the incident.

[LFC]

The LAPD has been ramping up their surveillance state capabilities and data gathering.

The Brennan Center has released a cache of 6,000 pages of Los Angeles Police Department documents, obtained by the California Public Records Act, detailing years of surveillance campaigns. The collection is a critical resource for activists, journalists, and First Amendment advocates who’ve been collecting evidence that the LAPD habitually spies on residents, particularly on activists and people of color with records or, simply, “gang affiliations.” It also builds a strong case that police have way too many resources and time on their hands.

The expansive view into police use of social media, which spans from 2009 into 2021, shows cops covertly posing with pseudonyms and using predictive policing to monitor people they suspect are likely to commit crimes, in some cases with almost no oversight. New documents show that the department plans to roll out a program that monitors connections between individuals.

First, the LAPD has been watching virtually every peephole. An excerpt from a 2010 intelligence-gathering manual states that officers should gather information during “almost any incident,” achieved by several divisions monitoring Twitter, Facebook, “internet chats and postings,” radio frequencies, virtually all video cameras operated by the LAPD, as well as the FBI and other agencies. It adds that scouts should collect information “no matter the source.”

In some cases, monitoring Twitter involved monitoring a particular person, rather than just an event; police attempted to get people to hand over their social media accounts along with identifying information. A standard Field Interview (FI) card, a form officers fill out when stopping a person, leaves a blank field for Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and other profiles. At the bottom, another asks for a Social Security number, with a notice stating that officers can order the subject to give it over by law. In 2020, Chief of Police Michel Moore instructed officers via email that information on the FI cards should be recorded “thoroughly,” and that the department would review them for “completeness.”

[Traveler]

At first blush, that seemed like a sensible way to approach policing. A heck of a lot better than broken tail light pull overs. But this is sobering: Predictive policing uses an amassment of crime statistics to monitor location-based “hot spots” and also information used to mark people with criminal records but also histories of drug use. Research has repeatedly found that predictive policing tools further entrench racist policing practices. The LAPD stopped using the program LASER, for example, in 2019 after the inspector general found that among other things, the program allowed police to stop people on the “Chronic Offenders” list merely for being on the list, and a name could end up on the list for fuzzily-defined reasons such as supposed gang affiliation. It was also unclear whether someone ended up on the list even if they were arrested but weren’t convicted of a crime.

[LFC]

Minnesota has a great idea to keep you from getting shot.

That's so smart! Per stats I looked up there are 185 officers per 100,000 residents in MN. So the obvious thing to do is to put the onus of NOT getting shot on the 99.815% rather than on the 0.185% who are getting paid and given taxpayer funded training.

[goldenvalley]

Sept 17, 2021 15:19:14 GMT LFC said:

Minnesota has a great idea to keep you from getting shot.

That's so smart! Per stats I looked up there are 185 officers per 100,000 residents in MN. So the obvious thing to do is to put the onus of NOT getting shot on the 99.815% rather than on the 0.185% who are getting paid and given taxpayer funded training.

In this computerized age officers don't need to see the car registration.  They can find that by checking the license plate number.  A few years ago when I was in an auto accident I offered to show the officer all those things and he only wanted the DL.

[Bact PhD]

Sept 17, 2021 16:21:45 GMT goldenvalley said:

Sept 17, 2021 15:19:14 GMT LFC said:

Minnesota has a great idea to keep you from getting shot.

That's so smart! Per stats I looked up there are 185 officers per 100,000 residents in MN. So the obvious thing to do is to put the onus of NOT getting shot on the 99.815% rather than on the 0.185% who are getting paid and given taxpayer funded training.

In this computerized age officers don't need to see the car registration.  They can find that by checking the license plate number.  A few years ago when I was in an auto accident I offered to show the officer all those things and he only wanted the DL.

That’s similar to my experience earlier this year when I had my wreck on vacation. The officers looked at my DL (hard copy) and my insurance info (on my phone), but when I offered to retrieve the registration from the glove box I was told they didn’t need it.

[andydp]

Sept 17, 2021 17:00:28 GMT Bact PhD said:

Sept 17, 2021 16:21:45 GMT goldenvalley said:

In this computerized age officers don't need to see the car registration.  They can find that by checking the license plate number.  A few years ago when I was in an auto accident I offered to show the officer all those things and he only wanted the DL.

That’s similar to my experience earlier this year when I had my wreck on vacation. The officers looked at my DL (hard copy) and my insurance info (on my phone), but when I offered to retrieve the registration from the glove box I was told they didn’t need it.

I read an e mail that several states have agreed to accept "electronic" driver's licences, registrations etc.

www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/02/19/real-id-dmv-documents-allowed-electronically-meet-deadline/4739261002/

[Traveler]

BTW, Do you all have real ID? I just realized I don't, and my passport is expired. Ugh.  Cannot board a flight after October 1!  

[andydp]

Sept 19, 2021 12:19:44 GMT Traveler said:

BTW, Do you all have real ID? I just realized I don't, and my passport is expired. Ugh.  Cannot board a flight after October 1!  

Fortunately we do. Have had them for several years.

[goldenvalley]

Got a real ID last October because my DL was expiring. Big waste of time. And I don't know how young people who are still living with their parents are supposed to come up with "proof" of their residence. They usually don't have a utility bill or a lease to show.

[pnwguy]

Sept 19, 2021 12:19:44 GMT Traveler said:

BTW, Do you all have real ID? I just realized I don't, and my passport is expired. Ugh.  Cannot board a flight after October 1!  

You've got more time.


www.dhs.gov/real-id/news/2021/04/27/dhs-announces-extension-real-id-full-enforcement-deadline