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Post by LFC on Sept 3, 2021 18:27:29 GMT
Josh Marshall penned Zeno's Abortion Ban. It really shows how cowardly and corrupt Fascist SCOTUS is. In full:
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Post by LFC on Sept 3, 2021 18:34:53 GMT
Adam Serwer's take on the anti-judicial right-wing court. Welcome to fascism. You gotta' control the courts. Here's how they've used the shadow docket to quietly push their personal agendas rather than uphold the law.
And then this. What a perfect description.
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Post by LFC on Sept 3, 2021 18:58:47 GMT
I just read this piece at TAC which, of course, thinks the Texas vigilante law is awesome. As is usual at TAC the real value of the piece is found in the comments. I hadn't even dreamed of this case. Imagine the couple living through the heartbreak of a miscarriage only to be sued because she wasn't able to carry to term.
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Post by LFC on Sept 3, 2021 19:07:59 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 3, 2021 19:47:11 GMT
I've been seeing social media posts suggesting that everyone flood the site with "tips" to make it crash.
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Post by jackd on Sept 3, 2021 19:54:40 GMT
What would be the point in anonymous reports? The law requires a private citizen to file a lawsuit to get enforcement.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 3, 2021 20:05:17 GMT
What would be the point in anonymous reports? The law requires a private citizen to file a lawsuit to get enforcement. Just to crash the site.
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Post by jackd on Sept 3, 2021 20:32:30 GMT
The report spoke of an anti-abrtion group urging the anonymous reporting. I must be missing something.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 3, 2021 20:46:18 GMT
The report spoke of an anti-abrtion group urging the anonymous reporting. I must be missing something. Sorry...crossed signals. I was remarking that I saw on social media remarks about people flooding the tip site in order to crash it. The report on anti-abortion types made me think of it.
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Post by indy on Sept 3, 2021 21:05:00 GMT
I'm a bit confused. It appears there is no punishment for suing, only a reward. Why not just file so many suits as to clog the courts to no end? Sue doctors, hospitals, gop politicians. I assume there is something to prevent this, but I don't know what it is.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 3, 2021 21:10:04 GMT
I'm a bit confused. It appears there is no punishment for suing, only a reward. Why not just file so many suits as to clog the courts to no end? Sue doctors, hospitals, gop politicians. I assume there is something to prevent this, but I don't know what it is. Those opposed to the law could try to clog the courts this way. The problem is the defendants would have to hire a lawyer to file a response to the suit. That costs them $$ which is the part of the reason the right to lifers dreamed up these scheme.
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Post by LFC on Sept 3, 2021 21:29:56 GMT
What would be the point in anonymous reports? The law requires a private citizen to file a lawsuit to get enforcement. So the faithful can follow up and sue when the tipster would rather not.
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Post by pnwguy on Sept 3, 2021 22:04:05 GMT
I just read this piece at TAC which, of course, thinks the Texas vigilante law is awesome. As is usual at TAC the real value of the piece is found in the comments. I hadn't even dreamed of this case. Imagine the couple living through the heartbreak of a miscarriage only to be sued because she wasn't able to carry to term. Why target miscarriages? ANY woman capable of pregnancy can be accused. "How do we know she wasn't pregnant and aborted it?" How can most women prove they were NOT pregnant 6 weeks ago? All you need is court filing fees to accuse random women you don't like (perhaps those "dark" ones) and have them investigated for who their OB/GYN is. Doctors will have to respond to lawsuits. It costs almost zero to file a suit, with the possible $10K payoff. Gilead, here we come!
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Post by Bact PhD on Sept 3, 2021 22:27:49 GMT
I just read this piece at TAC which, of course, thinks the Texas vigilante law is awesome. As is usual at TAC the real value of the piece is found in the comments. I hadn't even dreamed of this case. Imagine the couple living through the heartbreak of a miscarriage only to be sued because she wasn't able to carry to term. Why target miscarriages? ANY woman capable of pregnancy can be accused. "How do we know she wasn't pregnant and aborted it?" How can most women prove they were NOT pregnant 6 weeks ago? All you need is court filing fees to accuse random women you don't like (perhaps those "dark" ones) and have them investigated for who their OB/GYN is. Doctors will have to respond to lawsuits. It costs almost zero to file a suit, with the possible $10K payoff. Gilead, here we come! Not even that, anyone can be accused of "aiding and abetting" -- niceties such as evidence, proof, witnesses aren't even needed to get the foot in the door. Regardless of how ludicrous the accusation is, the accused is going to have to pony up to defend a nuisance lawsuit ...talk about a convenient means to harass people you don't like...
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Post by pnwguy on Sept 3, 2021 22:33:11 GMT
Why target miscarriages? ANY woman capable of pregnancy can be accused. "How do we know she wasn't pregnant and aborted it?" How can most women prove they were NOT pregnant 6 weeks ago? All you need is court filing fees to accuse random women you don't like (perhaps those "dark" ones) and have them investigated for who their OB/GYN is. Doctors will have to respond to lawsuits. It costs almost zero to file a suit, with the possible $10K payoff. Gilead, here we come! Not even that, anyone can be accused of "aiding and abetting" -- niceties such as evidence, proof, witnesses aren't even needed to get the foot in the door. Regardless of how ludicrous the accusation is, the accused is going to have to pony up to defend a nuisance lawsuit ...talk about a convenient means to harass people you don't like...
Certainly DeSatanist won't allow Abbott to out-MAGA him for long. Look for Florida's version ASAP.
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Post by pnwguy on Sept 3, 2021 22:37:21 GMT
Not even that, anyone can be accused of "aiding and abetting" -- niceties such as evidence, proof, witnesses aren't even needed to get the foot in the door. Regardless of how ludicrous the accusation is, the accused is going to have to pony up to defend a nuisance lawsuit ...talk about a convenient means to harass people you don't like...
Certainly DeSatanist won't allow Abbott to out-MAGA him for long. Look for Florida's version ASAP. Come to think of it, any Tex-ass anti-vaxxer could start suing medical care workers who are giving out Covid vaccines, claiming they are chemical abortions. It won't matter that it's absolute bullsh*t, because the consequence-free litigation can bankrupt the staff by naming them in lawsuits.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 3, 2021 22:48:23 GMT
The extent to which anti-abortionists go to avoid prosecuting women for getting an abortion is fascinating to me. Notice that the Texas law doesn't allow for suing the person for getting the abortion; only for doctors, clinics, anyone who aided and abetted it. If abortion is murder why this avoidance of punishing the person who consents to it?
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Post by AnBr on Sept 3, 2021 23:56:20 GMT
The problem is the defendants would have to hire a lawyer to file a response to the suit. That costs them $$ which is the part of the reason the right to lifers dreamed up these scheme. So file only against anti-choice people. Doesn't matter if there is no basis or not if there are no repercussions for filing frivolous suits.
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Post by jackd on Sept 4, 2021 1:00:48 GMT
There may be repercussions for filing frivolous suits. Those are separate statutes and court rules.
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Post by LFC on Sept 4, 2021 14:42:04 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 4, 2021 15:33:18 GMT
I was amused when I saw this paragraph in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece on the Texas abolition of legal abortion law: Basically the writer says the law is probably unConstitutional, but that the procedural posture of the case makes the Court's denial of a stay of enforcement okay.
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Post by pnwguy on Sept 4, 2021 16:14:34 GMT
I was amused when I saw this paragraph in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece on the Texas abolition of legal abortion law: Basically the writer says the law is probably unConstitutional, but that the procedural posture of the case makes the Court's denial of a stay of enforcement okay. Thinking is for Liberals. True Belief in MAGAstan requires reflexive action, no matter how stupid. A fly lands on your boot? Take your 12 gauge and shoot it. That will teach that vermin a thing or two!
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Post by Traveler on Sept 4, 2021 16:54:24 GMT
I cannot believe how this will engender more POG support from independents and women. Still seems there are too many maggots left in TX to make any difference there, but think of all those states the dump barely won. NC and FL stand out there. So lets root for deminimus to ram this down FL legislature.
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Post by LFC on Sept 4, 2021 17:08:12 GMT
I cannot believe how this will engender more POG support from independents and women. Still seems there are too many maggots left in TX to make any difference there, but think of all those states the dump barely won. NC and FL stand out there. So lets root for deminimus to ram this down FL legislature. Their strategy now is to turn out a shrinking angry base, suppress the ability for Democrats to vote, and when all else fails make up false accusations of fraud and try to outright steal elections. It's a strategy that shows a visceral loathing of American democracy but it's what they've got. It's what they are. Welcome to fascist thinking.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 4, 2021 17:14:18 GMT
I cannot believe how this will engender more POG support from independents and women. Still seems there are too many maggots left in TX to make any difference there, but think of all those states the dump barely won. NC and FL stand out there. So lets root for deminimus to ram this down FL legislature. If the districts are gerrymandered well all those inclined to vote out POG will be gathered into a few districts (packed) and the rest will be put into oddly shaped districts (cracked) in which they are never the majority. Add in what LFC describes and voila! POG wins.
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