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Post by AnBr on Jun 10, 2021 22:34:48 GMT
very good piece. We might create a separate post thread to discuss it. Go for it. Near the start of the article was this: Yet many of these wannabe libertarians cite from The Federalist Papers to "prove" the Founding Fathers were libertarians themselves rather than the Classical Liberals that many of them were. Some of it reminds me of a PBS documentary I saw back in the '80s called "The Rise of the Right" that tracked this from its start with the defeat of Goldwater to the right's ascendancy with Reagan and beyond. One of the things that I most clearly remember from it was an interview with Pat Buchanan where he noted that in planning the elections of Nixon they could see no clear path to winning without first factionalizing the country, thus the Southern Strategy was born to take advantage of Southern white resentment of the passage of the Civil Rights bill. Part of those plans also was to create, in Roger Ailes' words "a Republican friendly media." And the Republicans have hammered on those divisions ever since. For several years I have tried to track down this documentary, but could find little trace of it. I thought I had found it once, but it was inaccessible in private library somewhere in California.
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Post by indy on Jun 11, 2021 11:40:07 GMT
It's amazing (and depressing) how hindsight reveals your feeble lack of foresight, isn't it? At the time, I thought Palin was an oddity, a one-off, a bizarre circus clown who would quickly return under the rock from whence she came. How idiotically naive that was. Instead of the canary in the coal mine she was, I could only view her as something like a paltry imitation of The Mule from the Foundation Series, a kind of mutant with a limited and somewhat meager ability to telepathically inflame the emotions of a (reasonably small) group of people. Nope. Man, was I wrong.
On this front, at least, I can claim some awareness of the problem. Buffett said value is what you get and price is what you pay. A college education has become pricey but it's value is dubious except as a hurdle that you have to clear in order to make it to the next hurdle. I'm as guilty as the next person in promoting this narrative. When I filled positions that really didn't require a college degree, I still used it as a first approximation for a person's willingness to sit quietly, follow instructions, and raise their hand when they have to go to the bathroom. I mean, that's just the raw, unfiltered fact of the matter.
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Post by jackd on Jun 11, 2021 14:21:02 GMT
I understand the sentiment of the college remarks. However, despite the conventional view of college as a career building experience, I think it goes well beyond that. Exposure to culture and cultures, together with the development of critical reasoning skills, helps to create good citizens and good relational humans. Is it essential? No, but it is useful and a desirable experience or perhaps I should say it can be. All value is not measured in money.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 17:09:05 GMT
I understand the sentiment of the college remarks. However, despite the conventional view of college as a career building experience, I think it goes well beyond that. Exposure to culture and cultures, together with the development of critical reasoning skills, helps to create good citizens and good relational humans. Is it essential? No, but it is useful and a desirable experience or perhaps I should say it can be. All value is not measured in money. Horrible ideas. Especially, critical reasoning skills. Yikes!
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Post by LFC on Jun 11, 2021 17:27:56 GMT
I understand the sentiment of the college remarks. However, despite the conventional view of college as a career building experience, I think it goes well beyond that. Exposure to culture and cultures, together with the development of critical reasoning skills, helps to create good citizens and good relational humans. Is it essential? No, but it is useful and a desirable experience or perhaps I should say it can be. All value is not measured in money. Libtard nonsense. If everybody just believed in Republican Jeebus then 'Murica would be "great again."
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Post by pnwguy on Jun 17, 2021 22:11:25 GMT
I can't recommend George Packer highly enough. I've been reading everything he has written since he started at the New Yorker back in the early 2000s. In my opinion, probably the best writer of the last two decades, at least stylistically. Packer is interviewed by Charlie Sykes in today's Bulwark podcast
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Post by LFC on Jun 30, 2021 14:38:45 GMT
NYC f***ed up their election royally by including 135,000 "test ballots."
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Post by goldenvalley on Jun 30, 2021 15:58:57 GMT
NYC f***ed up their election royally by including 135,000 "test ballots." Why do people expect perfection in all things? I don't blame this on inability to handle ranked choice voting. It looks like simple human error that someone caught before any final results were announced. S*&$ happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 16:50:07 GMT
The gulf between perfection and extraordinary and repeated incompetence is huge.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 18:58:27 GMT
Everybody's a fucking victim.
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Post by LFC on Jul 22, 2021 20:57:32 GMT
As we already knew the FBI did a shoddy job on the Brett Kavanaugh "investigation."
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Post by LFC on Jul 28, 2021 17:33:20 GMT
This piece from TPM called Bipartisanship Needs to Die So Our Country Can Thrive seems to sum things up with the supposedly bipartisan negotiations on infrastructure being front and center. Mitch, after being one of the primary murderers of bipartisanship, has at least openly declared it dead. That means he understands that most of the Democrats accept he will never act in good faith or in the interest of the nation so he can't wring any more victories out of doing so quietly. He might as well own being all attack all the time because at least the base laps that shit up.
The finish of this piece should be required reading for Manchin and Sinema.
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Post by jackd on Jul 28, 2021 17:46:40 GMT
The Republicans just announced that they had agreement on all major issues.
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Post by LFC on Jul 28, 2021 19:41:48 GMT
The Republicans just announced that they had agreement on all major issues. If that's true and a bill goes to the floor for a vote then how many votes do you think they'll actually deliver? Remember that one of the supposed 10 is Little Lindsey. He's nearly guaranteed to come up with some excuse to allow him to keep s***ing Trump's truffle.
And then there's the "debate" and amendment process which I'm sure Schumer will keep a tight rein on.
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Post by jackd on Jul 28, 2021 19:58:00 GMT
There is all of that but the Republicans are signaling optimism and if they don't come through, that's on them. I don't think they'll be allowed to stall and maybe this effort will persuade Manchin and Sinema that "they tried". I think the object of the exercise is to try to get the Democratic Senators onboard for the reconciliation bill.
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Post by indy on Jul 29, 2021 1:03:46 GMT
'Hard' infrastructure bill passes cloture with 17 Republican votes. Trump is going to be spread pretty thin with this much of a target rich environment.
Schumer seems to be indicating he wants to pass the companion reconciliation bill in the next two weeks. He also implies he has 50 votes for it, though it just may be posturing.
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Post by jackd on Jul 29, 2021 2:19:07 GMT
Looks like the bipartisan bill may pass. Sinema is already arguing that the price in the reconciliation bill is too high. Sounds like she's negotiating and something, by way of reconciliation, is likely to pass. The strategy may be working.
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Post by goldenvalley on Jul 29, 2021 3:05:06 GMT
'Hard' infrastructure bill passes cloture with 17 Republican votes. Trump is going to be spread pretty thin with this much of a target rich environment. Schumer seems to be indicating he wants to pass the companion reconciliation bill in the next two weeks. He also implies he has 50 votes for it, though it just may be posturing. Call me a pessimist but I predict most of that 17 will vote against the bill in the end.
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Post by LFC on Jul 29, 2021 16:02:30 GMT
Looks like the bipartisan bill may pass. Sinema is already arguing that the price in the reconciliation bill is too high. Sounds like she's negotiating and something, by way of reconciliation, is likely to pass. The strategy may be working. I posted an opinion from TPM earlier that basically said the Dems can't let anybody get away with a general price tag argument. If they want to justify that this and this and that and that need to be cut then fine but waving your hands and saying the cost is too much is lazy and unacceptable.
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Post by jackd on Jul 29, 2021 16:30:27 GMT
It may be lazy and unaccptable but they need her vote.
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Post by AnBr on Jul 30, 2021 3:09:32 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Jul 30, 2021 18:34:58 GMT
I debated whether to post this in Random or Misc but I think this is a random thought. Whatever happened to the "Alt Right"? We heard so much about them in the early Trump years. Has QAnon become the shiny new object? Or have we just understood that the Alt Right were young white supremacists. They may or may not be joining Proud Boys, 3%ers, Oath Keepers. Those groups appear to be older white dudes.
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Post by jackd on Jul 30, 2021 21:23:41 GMT
They seem to have been white supremacists although not necessarily young and no more formally organized than anti-fascists, black lives matter, or Q-anon for that matter. They're still there adopting different names as the mood strikes, I think.
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Post by LFC on Jul 31, 2021 14:46:43 GMT
I debated whether to post this in Random or Misc but I think this is a random thought. Whatever happened to the "Alt Right"? They dropped the “Alt.”
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Post by pnwguy on Jul 31, 2021 15:05:59 GMT
I debated whether to post this in Random or Misc but I think this is a random thought. Whatever happened to the "Alt Right"? They dropped the “Alt.” The prefix they prefer now is Absolutely-
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