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Post by LFC on Sept 2, 2022 17:44:24 GMT
4. Why give it now? Was it a warning to those who seek to disrupt the November election? If not now then when? Or should Biden stay quiet and not rock the boat to avoid causing Republican butthurt? I think a better question is, "Why the f*** did it take this long?" Democrats should have been screaming this message since January 7.
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Post by LFC on Sept 2, 2022 17:46:08 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 2, 2022 17:50:31 GMT
Ach... both sentences are true. Neither one is biased. Of course some would argue that the first one is biased, just biased in support of Trump. And yes, in this political climate there is no excuse for using a current political event in this way for 11 year olds.
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Post by LFC on Sept 2, 2022 17:55:22 GMT
I couldn't agree with this headline more.
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Post by jackd on Sept 2, 2022 18:10:26 GMT
Pretty hard to claim Biden's speech wasn't partisan. If Trump announces, should the networks cover it live? If so, why?
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 2, 2022 18:46:33 GMT
Pretty hard to claim Biden's speech wasn't partisan. If Trump announces, should the networks cover it live? If so, why? One could argue that pointing out an internal threat is not partisan speech when there seems to be a lot of underground talking about civil war and violence in the streets? This has been a fairly extraordinary time in the history of this country. Yes, there were political assassinations in the 1960s but the country was not so interconnected by an internet as they are now and not as well armed. As to announcing a Trump campaign...he isn't the president no matter what he claims. He doesn't have the status that the sitting president does in terms of addressing the nation. Who was Biden mostly talking to? I think it was the Republicans who aren't MAGA and voters who are not firmly in either party. Maybe we should call that bipartisan? Interesting thought experiments. ETA When I say violence in the streets I'm thinking 1/6 style ready for hand to hand combat and whatever else happens after that. Whatever the BLM protests were (and the burning was bad, throwing things at officers was bad) they weren't what we saw on that day.
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Post by jackd on Sept 2, 2022 19:03:01 GMT
On rethinking the matter a bit, the fact of the threats of violence against F.B.I agents and others, does make President Biden's speech one of "governmental business" instead of political argument, although it's hard to claim political argument wasn't mixed in.
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Post by LFC on Sept 2, 2022 19:05:17 GMT
Not incorrect but obviously not exactly unbiased either.
This is followed by whining statements by the likes of Kevin McCarthy, MTG, Rod Dreher (who, as a staunch supporter of Hungary's Viktor Orban, is killing irony), JD Vance, and other right-wing dipshits. I'm going to go through the comments on Rod's tweets to see if he takes a bitch-slapping for his hypocrisy. My guess is yes.
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Post by LFC on Sept 2, 2022 19:10:55 GMT
Rod Dreher on Biden's anti-fascism speech: A few responses. People didn't disappoint.
This one apparently hit a personal nerve from somebody who actually experienced communism.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 2, 2022 19:26:20 GMT
Looks like Dreher is ready to renounce his American citizenship.
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Post by LFC on Sept 2, 2022 19:29:12 GMT
Looks like Dreher is ready to renounce his American citizenship.
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Post by LFC on Sept 2, 2022 20:02:39 GMT
On rethinking the matter a bit, the fact of the threats of violence against F.B.I agents and others, does make President Biden's speech one of "governmental business" instead of political argument, although it's hard to claim political argument wasn't mixed in. When a group dedicated to overthrowing a system of government has no political party affiliation it's not partisan but if they do claim party affiliation then it is partisan. Basically it's a distinction without a difference.
Here's one opinion that makes the case it wasn't actually "partisan." She also rips into the MSM opinion writers, pointing out that "all of these outlets have otherwise done rock solid reporting showing that Biden's warning is not "partisanship," but flat-out facts." They just can't bring themselves to state the obvious conclusion.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 2, 2022 20:33:07 GMT
On rethinking the matter a bit, the fact of the threats of violence against F.B.I agents and others, does make President Biden's speech one of "governmental business" instead of political argument, although it's hard to claim political argument wasn't mixed in. When a group dedicated to overthrowing a system of government has no political party affiliation it's not partisan but if they do claim party affiliation then it is partisan. Basically it's a distinction without a difference.
Here's one opinion that makes the case it wasn't actually "partisan." She also rips into the MSM opinion writers, pointing out that "all of these outlets have otherwise done rock solid reporting showing that Biden's warning is not "partisanship," but flat-out facts." They just can't bring themselves to state the obvious conclusion. I expected more of Baker. It is a choice between normal and dangerous. Ask the folks that have been hounded, threatened, and bullied because they administer elections laws in a way that is compliant with the laws how dangerous this is. Biden and Trump aren't in active campaigns and there is absolutely no reason for Baker or anyone else to frame it that way. No wonder we are in the mess we are in.
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Post by jackd on Sept 2, 2022 20:53:53 GMT
"Biden and Trump aren't in active campaigns.. . " Technically, that's true, technically.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 2, 2022 21:40:39 GMT
If I were McCarthy I'd fire the speechwriters of this speech. From McCarthy's speech yesterday afternoon before Biden's. Did the alliterated groups listed have electric cords?
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Post by AnBr on Sept 2, 2022 22:59:53 GMT
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Post by pnwguy on Sept 3, 2022 16:57:09 GMT
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Post by LFC on Sept 5, 2022 18:38:39 GMT
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Post by LFC on Sept 6, 2022 21:06:54 GMT
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Post by LFC on Sept 7, 2022 15:45:55 GMT
Another fascist calling for violence, this over having his donations to extremist causes exposed. He's lashing out wildly at those who simply shoed people his positions on various issues like abortion and LGBTQ rights. What's the matter? Are you ashamed? Or are you simply dishonest about anything that might hurt your electoral chances?
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Post by LFC on Sept 7, 2022 23:38:03 GMT
Oh, great. Another fascist with money using his fortune to fight against reality and overthrow democracy. Is there no shortage of these assholes?
This guy sounds a b it like Howard Hughes in the 21st Century.
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Post by LFC on Sept 13, 2022 19:41:47 GMT
FINALLY! It only took one year and 8 months. I doubt most (all?) cases will get to court before Jan 20, 2025. If a Republican takes the White House this will all be wasted effort. So much for "time is of the essence." I really wonder if this would even be happening at all without the Jan 6 Committee doing an enormous amount of legwork and publicizing the treason that happened that day.
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Post by LFC on Sept 14, 2022 20:31:23 GMT
An 18-yr old in Boise just defeated an incumbent to gain a spot on the school board. The incumbent refused to speak up against a group that had actually intimidated students. If you can't stand up for students in this case then there's no good reason to have you on a school board.
This is one smart, politically aware young man.
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Post by LFC on Sept 14, 2022 21:38:06 GMT
Durham's bogus "investigation" sounds like it's finally going to end ... with a whimper.
I'm sure Durham's report will be just like every other steaming pile produced by a MAGAt. It will be full of hyperbole, accusations of nefariousness, alarm, and so on and will contain exactly nothing of substance.
I predict it will be dropped shortly before Election Day because, you know, that's what a real investigator would do.
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Post by LFC on Sept 14, 2022 21:43:22 GMT
Pure fascism, as well a complete 180 on reality. This guy is clearly a good German Republican.
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