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Post by LFC on Sept 15, 2021 14:12:18 GMT
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Post by LFC on Sept 15, 2021 14:20:53 GMT
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Post by LFC on Sept 15, 2021 14:23:46 GMT
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jackd
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Post by jackd on Sept 15, 2021 19:44:17 GMT
As well they should! In Illinois, the war cry is "We'll do it when Texas does.".
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Post by LFC on Dec 13, 2021 16:03:34 GMT
Politico notes that judges are going to play an enormous role in redistricting. This is one thing Republicans have understood for a long time. If you pack the courts with political hacks you can disenfranchise those who would vote against you. Just read John Roberts's very clear "justification" for upholding blatant gerrymandering. I was impressed that he was that open and honest with his corruption rather than twisting it into legalese.
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Post by goldenvalley on Dec 13, 2021 18:23:36 GMT
Politico notes that judges are going to play an enormous role in redistricting. This is one thing Republicans have understood for a long time. If you pack the courts with political hacks you can disenfranchise those who would vote against you. Just read John Roberts's very clear "justification" for upholding blatant gerrymandering. I was impressed that he was that open and honest with his corruption rather than twisting it into legalese. Stacking the lower courts is unnecessary. With the Supreme Court saying gerrymandering for political purposes is not a reason for review or overturning many of the cases will be over by the time they are started unless the petitioners can claim that what's left of the Voting Rights Act is violated by these districts or if there is something in the state law or constitutions that prohibit it.
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Post by LFC on Dec 13, 2021 19:21:50 GMT
Politico notes that judges are going to play an enormous role in redistricting. This is one thing Republicans have understood for a long time. If you pack the courts with political hacks you can disenfranchise those who would vote against you. Just read John Roberts's very clear "justification" for upholding blatant gerrymandering. I was impressed that he was that open and honest with his corruption rather than twisting it into legalese. Stacking the lower courts is unnecessary. Remember that there are state constitutions as well. That's how roughly evenly divided Pennsylvania (actually leans Dem) struck down the districting that awarded 70% of the House seats to Republicans. Once Republicans realized that we were actually going to end up with (GASP!) 50-50 proportional representation in a roughly 50-50 state they very seriously discussed impeaching all of the justices on the state supreme court who ruled for it.
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jackd
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Post by jackd on Dec 13, 2021 20:00:13 GMT
Lower courts are also important; many cases never get appealed at all or sometimes only to the next level and not the Supreme Court. True of both federal and state systems.
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Post by LFC on Dec 22, 2021 15:15:55 GMT
For those interested in checking out district maps and the upcoming Republican gerrymandered maps here are two resources that TPM mentioned.
My wife likes to kid that she thinks she's the only black person around here. Turns out our district is less than 2% black. We definitely live in at least the fringes of Trump country.
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Post by goldenvalley on Dec 22, 2021 15:53:09 GMT
California's second ever independent citizens redistricting commission released final maps late Tuesday night. Some call the maps a win for Democrats and the Latino voters. Critics say the Citizens Redistricting Commission sold out to Democrats and the organized Latino groups. The critics fail to notice several things: the number of voters that designate themselves as Democrats exceeds the number that marked Republicans by a lot, the number of voters that specifically do not specify a party almost equals the number of Republicans, the Latino population is now about 40% of California, the laws governing the commission specifically prohibit it from considering incumbents and political affiliations of the voters in the districts. The 14 member Commission voted unanimously to pass the maps...5 Republicans, 5 Democrats, 4 no party preference. The commission did all its work online starting with the interview process for picking the members, ending with final map markup during the middle two weeks of December.
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Post by LFC on Dec 27, 2021 17:28:16 GMT
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Post by LFC on Dec 28, 2021 16:43:53 GMT
Ohio has really twisted reality to justify minority rule. Be sure to read that last sentence. As always, Republicans fall in line.
I blame John Roberts. The others are (as they unconvincingly denied) partisan hacks but Roberts at least sometimes exhibits judicial knowledge, skills, and respect for law and precedent. His written opinion on his decision to let gerrymandering run loose was conveniently written in clear language and it was brazenly stupid. I would have thought he could have covered his tracks better than that but maybe he just doesn't care.
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Post by AnBr on Dec 29, 2021 3:05:31 GMT
Ohio is a typical purple state with deep blue cities and bleeding red sticks. When I get outside of the city I feel creeped out by all of the knuckle draggers.
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Post by Bact PhD on Dec 29, 2021 14:27:38 GMT
Ohio is a typical purple state with deep blue cities and bleeding red sticks. When I get outside of the city I feel creeped out by all of the knuckle draggers. So. Much. This. I guess it didn’t change much since the ‘80s. IIRC, there were back then a few knuckle draggers with the semi-urbane veneer: A couple of members of that subset were shocked and dismayed that I wanted to do something as radical as pursuing a Ph.D. in the biologically sciences. I needed to be “supporting my husband”, dontcha know; I’m not supporting to have any career ambition (beyond schoolteacher, nurse, or secretary) whatsoever. Flori-DUH is similar. South Florida, however, has its own peculiarities. My county is a bluish-purple island in an ocean of deep and deeper reds; The Villages is roughly an hour to the south. To my north, east (of the city), and west it’s even redder than THAT. Yikes!
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Post by LFC on Dec 29, 2021 14:53:52 GMT
Ohio is a typical purple state with deep blue cities and bleeding red sticks. When I get outside of the city I feel creeped out by all of the knuckle draggers. Welcome to Pennsylvania: Philly on the right, Pittsburgh on the left, and Pennsyltucky in the middle.
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Post by LFC on Jan 2, 2022 0:04:16 GMT
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Post by LFC on Jan 13, 2022 17:24:12 GMT
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Post by LFC on Jan 25, 2022 13:54:52 GMT
First up, Alabama Republicans had their Jim Crow maps shot down. FYI the state is over 26% black but apparently they aren't a majority in any potential congressional district. Why do I doubt that?
In New York the attempt at a bipartisan commission fell apart and Democrats are taking over. It will be interesting to see if they create fair maps or decide what's good for the goose...
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Post by LFC on Jan 31, 2022 16:52:55 GMT
Democrats in New York have decided on going with the "what's good for the goose..." approach.
Republicans proved in 2010 that they were all in on using the best technology to efficiently redistrict themselves into power, particularly along racial lines. John Roberts wrote a ridiculous opinion when it was tested before SCOTUS. (I again thank Justice Roberts for writing his opinion in clear English rather than legalese so I was able to understand for myself how reality defying it really was.) The Trump administration worked to skew the National Census to help them gain seats. And of course we're now in the midst of a tidal wave of Republican lies, voter suppression, laws to overturn elections on their whim, and wildly gerrymandered maps. I loathe all of this political weaponization of voting but I also understand that the Democrats shouldn't unilaterally disarm. The Republicans set the rules of battle. Let them live with the consequences if they don't work out in their favor.
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Post by goldenvalley on Jan 31, 2022 17:04:58 GMT
Yeah both sides do it...that's why the Rucho case (Republican gerrymandering in North Carolina) was combined with a case from Maryland (Democratic gerrymandering). Sadly perhaps the unintended consequence of that pairing made it easy for the US Supreme Court to decide..."eh! it's a political question, federal courts have no standard by which to analyze how much is too much gerrymandering so the case is not justiciable."
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Post by LFC on Jan 31, 2022 17:28:54 GMT
Yeah both sides do it...that's why the Rucho case (Republican gerrymandering in North Carolina) was combined with a case from Maryland (Democratic gerrymandering). Sadly perhaps the unintended consequence of that pairing made it easy for the US Supreme Court to decide..."eh! it's a political question, federal courts have no standard by which to analyze how much is too much gerrymandering so the case is not justiciable." Perhaps, but I doubt it. Roberts and Alito showed their cards before ever being nominated to SCOTUS which is why I was against both of them when first named. With Roberts as the swing judge I believe there was almost no way it wasn't going to break the way it did. "That's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
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jackd
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Post by jackd on Jan 31, 2022 20:15:50 GMT
My state, Illinois, is an example of what golden valley is referring to. In our case, it's Democrats. When challenged, they say, "We'll change when Texas does." I agree with them. Unilateral disarmament is rarely wise.
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Post by Traveler on Feb 3, 2022 18:15:27 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Feb 3, 2022 19:42:22 GMT
I think I remember that the basis for the 2018 decision was the PA Constitution, not the US Constitution. If that's the case this time around the US Supreme Court can't get involved unless the Reps argue that the PA Constitution is un-US-Constitutional.
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Post by LFC on Feb 3, 2022 22:13:50 GMT
PA Republicans are still butthurt that they weren't allowed to retain control of 70% of the state's House seats with only 50% of the state's voters backing them. They continue to retain a solid state-level advantage with only half the vote.
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