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Post by LFC on Aug 18, 2021 12:48:19 GMT
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Post by LFC on Aug 19, 2021 17:11:36 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 19, 2021 17:37:04 GMT
(It's always been valuable enough to steal by the farmload.) Or by the river load. The Owens River valley story which inspired the movie Chinatown.
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Post by AnBr on Aug 20, 2021 12:07:10 GMT
Remember when Tom Selleck was doing this?
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 20, 2021 21:17:46 GMT
California agriculture is very different from what I grew up around in the Midwest, all row crops. Case in point:See the video of how prunes are harvested. Nut trees are also shaken like this.
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Post by Bact PhD on Aug 22, 2021 2:10:41 GMT
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Post by AnBr on Aug 24, 2021 13:16:04 GMT
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Post by pg on Aug 26, 2021 21:45:49 GMT
Maybe this is just because I live in a hot real estate market, but I'm getting robotexts telling me that there are pending cash offers for my house. Is this happening in your parts of the country? GV- I forgot to respond. Yep- I live in a hot RE market, also. I get robotexts, phone calls, letters. "Hey sell now" etc. I live in a non disclosure state. Because of that, the info is only about my land value. Yep- cash offers. And I just laugh. These folks have no idea what is really going on- just trying to snake themselves in. And the real fun? These are usually asking for my dearly departed husband to respond, even though my home is now only in my name. Eh? They have no idea. Yep- it's getting hot out there. IGNORE the robo stuff. Make certain they are a blocked caller. Might need to do it more than once.
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 30, 2021 17:19:29 GMT
I'm doing some deep thinking about human nature in light of the anti-anything related to slowing down COVID, the hurricane in the Southeast, and the fire closing in on Lake Tahoe here in CA. All of them are nature made, not man made (not sure though the cause of the fire). In the latter two situations evacuation orders were issued. Many, many people obeyed them but not all. Schools in non burning but smokey areas are closed due to poor air quality. But no big social media outcry, picketing etc. With COVID we had an equivalent to evacuation in the form of stay at home orders. We heard a lot more complaining about that and certainly very loud complaining about the alternative to stay at home...masks & vaccines.
So is there a difference in response to these life threatening natural events? Of course hurricane and fire is not the slow rolling crisis that COVID is so the complainers may not have had time to get really vocal. But I am thinking that humans can watch the radar to track storms; they can see, smell, and taste the smoke. But with a virus, you don't see it until someone is sick and then they are whisked away to hospitals where no one can see the devastation. Is that a difference that accounts for some of this?
Or is it the uncertainty in terms of the length of time the preventative measures will last? Storms blow through and MSM seldom looks at the affected areas once that happens...same with fire, so people move on unless they live in the affected areas. But COIVD has lasted a long time and then a more infectious version emerged so people continue to hear about it.
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Post by LFC on Aug 30, 2021 17:24:56 GMT
So is there a difference in response to these life threatening natural events? Trump and the Republicans called it a hoax, said masks don't work, said we all had to get back to normal, invoked "herd immunity" without a clue about how it works, and on and on. Your beliefs about and reaction to COVID were intentionally turned into right-wing virtue signaling. Not so much other events. Perhaps it is that the other events are somewhat brief.
Of course the hoax of global climate change has nothing to do with the increase in number and intensity fires or hurricanes.
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 30, 2021 17:32:41 GMT
So is there a difference in response to these life threatening natural events? Trump and the Republicans called it a hoax, said masks don't work, said we all had to get back to normal, invoked "herd immunity" without a clue about how it works, and on and on. Your beliefs about and reaction to COVID were intentionally turned into right-wing virtue signaling. Not so much other events. Perhaps it is that the other events are somewhat brief.
Of course the hoax of global climate change has nothing to do with the increase in number and intensity fires or hurricanes. Is that all it takes? Some cult hero says don't believe anything but me and any risk assessment that humans are capable of vanishes?
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Post by LFC on Aug 30, 2021 18:02:41 GMT
Is that all it takes? Some cult hero says don't believe anything but me and any risk assessment that humans are capable of vanishes? Short Answer: Yes.
"If they're for it, we're against it." It's that tribal. Besides Tucker told them everything they need to know about COVID.
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Post by LFC on Aug 30, 2021 18:41:06 GMT
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Post by indy on Aug 30, 2021 19:30:06 GMT
I'm doing some deep thinking about human nature in light of the anti-anything related to slowing down COVID, the hurricane in the Southeast, and the fire closing in on Lake Tahoe here in CA. All of them are nature made, not man made (not sure though the cause of the fire). In the latter two situations evacuation orders were issued. Many, many people obeyed them but not all. Schools in non burning but smokey areas are closed due to poor air quality. But no big social media outcry, picketing etc. With COVID we had an equivalent to evacuation in the form of stay at home orders. We heard a lot more complaining about that and certainly very loud complaining about the alternative to stay at home...masks & vaccines. So is there a difference in response to these life threatening natural events? Of course hurricane and fire is not the slow rolling crisis that COVID is so the complainers may not have had time to get really vocal. But I am thinking that humans can watch the radar to track storms; they can see, smell, and taste the smoke. But with a virus, you don't see it until someone is sick and then they are whisked away to hospitals where no one can see the devastation. Is that a difference that accounts for some of this? Or is it the uncertainty in terms of the length of time the preventative measures will last? Storms blow through and MSM seldom looks at the affected areas once that happens...same with fire, so people move on unless they live in the affected areas. But COIVD has lasted a long time and then a more infectious version emerged so people continue to hear about it. You know, it's interesting. I watched a ted talk (https://www.ted.com/talks/james_flynn_why_our_iq_levels_are_higher_than_our_grandparents?language=en) about how cognitive abilities have changed over the last century. Basically he makes the case that we have gone from a very concrete to a much more abstract mode of thinking. He claims that people a century ago would average about 70 on a modern IQ test. (I'm not sure how he supports the claim but since he's a pretty well-known intelligence researcher, I assume it isn't made up out of thin air.) Yet I can't help but think there is some serious flaw in his work. I agree with you that people seem more able to deal realistically with the things that they can actually interact with on a physical level, but I'm not sure these cognitive tendencies of the last century aren't some kind of negative multiplier for other sorts of thinking somehow. Real world experience serves as guardrails to constrain our thinking. If somebody tells you that things fall up it just violates so many experiences that you have had that you can't help but discount the person who tells you something like that. But the more abstract the world is to you the less you have experience to fall back on and consequently significantly less ability to judge such (more abstract) claims. I just think that technology, which is responsible for a more remote and abstract form of experience, has outpaced our ability to adapt to it. On a brighter note, I do think we will adapt (although I have no idea how long it will take) and I often wonder if we aren't currently in a transitory period which will the be the subject of many Ph.D. theses one day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 19:34:13 GMT
I hope you're aware of what happened to the last person who did deep-thinking about human nature. On completion, that person died laughing.
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 30, 2021 21:22:24 GMT
I hope you're aware of what happened to the last person who did deep-thinking about human nature. On completion, that person died laughing. LOL An excellent reminder but I could use a good laugh these days. Probably we all do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 3:35:40 GMT
indy - Things don't fall "down" in most of the universe. The curvature of space-time is flat (obviously when measured at a sufficiently large scale). At least according to classical physics. Blame local mass-energy distortions for any errant behavior like falling downwards. While we're on this topic: why is inertial mass same as gravitational mass?
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Post by GRowell on Aug 31, 2021 13:13:57 GMT
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Post by indy on Aug 31, 2021 17:01:50 GMT
While we're on this topic: why is inertial mass same as gravitational mass? For Einstein's math to work out?
And, technically, the question is why do they appear to be the same?
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Post by andydp on Aug 31, 2021 17:04:27 GMT
While we're on this topic: why is inertial mass same as gravitational mass? For Einstein's math to work out?
And, technically, the question is why do they appear to be the same?
You lost me at "Einstein".
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Post by indy on Aug 31, 2021 17:38:18 GMT
For Einstein's math to work out?
And, technically, the question is why do they appear to be the same?
You lost me at "Einstein". If I remember it correctly, which is not a given by any means, one of the major assumptions underlying the general theory of relatively is that they these two masses are, in fact, equivalent.
They are the same within our limits to measure them, which is an important detail.
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Post by LFC on Aug 31, 2021 17:45:32 GMT
You lost me at "Einstein". He's the guy who theorized that the black hole at the center would draw in the majority of the cream cheese spread placed on a bagel, spewing it out the other side into a parallel universe, one in which the front of your shirt always gets hit by something whenever you eat. He was a frickin' genius.
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Post by indy on Aug 31, 2021 17:48:42 GMT
I'm just a layman here, so I'm interested in the actual answer to the question since, as far as I know, nobody has conclusively explained why they appear to be equivalent. I'm expecting a physics joke at the moment.
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Post by LFC on Aug 31, 2021 20:21:50 GMT
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Post by LFC on Aug 31, 2021 21:36:27 GMT
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