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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 7, 2023 21:56:57 GMT
Another one bites the dust.
Seems like a slam dunk but I thought Bannon's case was too. Now Navarro's case will go on appeal. He's one of the guys who could never get appointed to a government position in the absence of someone like Trump. He was so clearly a fringy guy. I don't know why any university had him on faculty, though to be fair economics is a mystery to most people even in the academic world.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 9, 2023 2:23:33 GMT
I've been ignoring the lesser defendants in 1/6 cases but the Zip Tie Guy and his mom captured my imagination from the time I saw them in the live coverage of 1/6. They're going to jail...guy for 5 years and mom for 2. This just makes me laugh because mommy dear is clearly the source of her son's behavior: I hope Donald J. Trump is worth going to jail for a couple of years.
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Post by indy on Sept 10, 2023 1:30:41 GMT
Yeah, I saw Enrique Tarrio, Mr Proud Boy, was sentenced to 22 years too. My understanding is that the federal system requires he serve a minimum of 85% of the sentence, so he should be closing in on 60 by the time he gets out assuming he is good boy.
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Post by indy on Sept 19, 2023 0:14:45 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 19, 2023 0:27:22 GMT
LOL. The man had no conception of what he was doing in terms of classified material. The only papers he thought were important were the ones he tried to flush down the toilets or that he ripped up (and staffers spent time taping them back together). I doubt those papers were classified in the formal sense, but probably stuff he thought he didn't want the outside world to see.
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Post by indy on Sept 19, 2023 0:44:35 GMT
LOL. The man had no conception of what he was doing in terms of classified material. The only papers he thought were important were the ones he tried to flush down the toilets or that he ripped up (and staffers spent time taping them back together). I doubt those papers were classified in the formal sense, but probably stuff he thought he didn't want the outside world to see. 'The man had no conception of what he was doing in terms of ...' could be completed with any government function or most anything at all. In fact, the only words I can think of that wouldn't work are 'lying' and 'cheating'.
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Post by indy on Sept 19, 2023 19:21:30 GMT
So far, it is only a default judgement and sanctions reimbursing costs to the plaintiffs for him not complying with the judge's discovery orders which involved trying to actually determine Giuliani's financial condition. The discovery order was not lifted and Giuliani still has to comply for the trial to determine damages. If he still doesn't comply, the judge will instruct the jury that he is intentionally hiding his financial assets in order to pretend to be poor. Is he pretending? I'm expecting a bankruptcy filing before long. If he gets his price for the apartment, how much of it goes to past unpaid legal fees? What is the status of legal fees in a bankruptcy proceeding anyway? If he has $$ hidden away somewhere, won't someone notice that he is keeping lawyers on his payroll (so to speak)?
Has anyone in the history of the country managed to trash their own legacy better than Rudy? Maybe Bobby Fischer? At least his great games remain great.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 19, 2023 20:40:45 GMT
Is he pretending? I'm expecting a bankruptcy filing before long. If he gets his price for the apartment, how much of it goes to past unpaid legal fees? What is the status of legal fees in a bankruptcy proceeding anyway? If he has $$ hidden away somewhere, won't someone notice that he is keeping lawyers on his payroll (so to speak)?
Has anyone in the history of the country managed to trash their own legacy better than Rudy? Maybe Bobby Fischer? At least his great games remain great.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. He seems like a trite figure out of a Western...upright sheriff turns bad because he envied the baddies for the money and power they had.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 26, 2023 19:13:34 GMT
At least he is holding the weapon right side up, but this strikes me as him being as awkward as he was holding the Bible during the protests. I guess he didn't handle hand guns during his stint in military boarding school in his youth!
I'm posting this only because of the photo. There is some question as to whether he actually bought it.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 27, 2023 1:12:05 GMT
The former president lost in the fraud case brought by the State of New York. The court granted the State's summary judgment motion, finding that there are no facts in dispute on the liability issue. More specifically: There are still issues to be adjudicated and a bench trial will be held on them.
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Post by indy on Sept 27, 2023 12:09:00 GMT
I read through the decision and the judge was scathing in it. He also sanctioned the attorneys for their third use of arguments that both he and an appellate court had twice before told them was immaterial to the case. He even declined to sanction them the second time and went with a warning, saying that he trusted that he had made his point. But nope, they brought them up a third time. Pretty good indication that it was the only defense they could come up with. I mean most of the stuff was an argument over 'current market value' of his properties that---since we are dealing with Trump here---were just assertions that somebody, somewhere, would pay $X for them if this development actually existed and/or was 3 times the size that had been tentatively approved, or weren't subject to the restrictions that currently exist. For example, in order to get favorable property tax treatment for Mar-A-Lago, Trump gave up all rights to the property except as a social club. But he valued it as if that restriction didn't apply and even then overvalued it anyway. He claimed his apartment in NY was 30,000 square feet when it is 10,000 and then actually came to court and said that, well, you know, people use different methods to measure square footage which basically caused the judge to have the judicial equivalent of a conniption fit.
I think what's left and subject to trial is to what extent, if any, Trump should be 'disgorged' of his fraud enabled profits. The judge invalidated the business certificates for Trump's companies in NY but I'm not sure, practically speaking, what the fall out from that will be.
Also noteworthy is that Trump has sued this particular judge for supposedly ignoring an appellate ruling. It's a pretty standard play in his playbook and I think he has sued all the judges in his cases so far for something or other.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 27, 2023 16:09:59 GMT
I read through the decision and the judge was scathing in it. He also sanctioned the attorneys for their third use of arguments that both he and an appellate court had twice before told them was immaterial to the case. He even declined to sanction them the second time and went with a warning, saying that he trusted that he had made his point. But nope, they brought them up a third time. Pretty good indication that it was the only defense they could come up with. I mean most of the stuff was an argument over 'current market value' of his properties that---since we are dealing with Trump here---were just assertions that somebody, somewhere, would pay $X for them if this development actually existed and/or was 3 times the size that had been tentatively approved, or weren't subject to the restrictions that currently exist. For example, in order to get favorable property tax treatment for Mar-A-Lago, Trump gave up all rights to the property except as a social club. But he valued it as if that restriction didn't apply and even then overvalued it anyway. He claimed his apartment in NY was 30,000 square feet when it is 10,000 and then actually came to court and said that, well, you know, people use different methods to measure square footage which basically caused the judge to have the judicial equivalent of a conniption fit.
I think what's left and subject to trial is to what extent, if any, Trump should be 'disgorged' of his fraud enabled profits. The judge invalidated the business certificates for Trump's companies in NY but I'm not sure, practically speaking, what the fall out from that will be.
Also noteworthy is that Trump has sued this particular judge for supposedly ignoring an appellate ruling. It's a pretty standard play in his playbook and I think he has sued all the judges in his cases so far for something or other.
I thought Christopher Kise was supposed to be some sort of miracle lawyer. I guess no matter how good the lawyer's reputation is there is only so much the lawyer can do to put lipstick on a pig of a case. Using the same arguments that lost twice in the same case is probably the result of two things...1) there is nothing to argue with and 2) the lawyer can't convince the client to concede and seek a settlement outside of court.
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Post by indy on Sept 27, 2023 19:18:01 GMT
I read through the decision and the judge was scathing in it. He also sanctioned the attorneys for their third use of arguments that both he and an appellate court had twice before told them was immaterial to the case. He even declined to sanction them the second time and went with a warning, saying that he trusted that he had made his point. But nope, they brought them up a third time. Pretty good indication that it was the only defense they could come up with. I mean most of the stuff was an argument over 'current market value' of his properties that---since we are dealing with Trump here---were just assertions that somebody, somewhere, would pay $X for them if this development actually existed and/or was 3 times the size that had been tentatively approved, or weren't subject to the restrictions that currently exist. For example, in order to get favorable property tax treatment for Mar-A-Lago, Trump gave up all rights to the property except as a social club. But he valued it as if that restriction didn't apply and even then overvalued it anyway. He claimed his apartment in NY was 30,000 square feet when it is 10,000 and then actually came to court and said that, well, you know, people use different methods to measure square footage which basically caused the judge to have the judicial equivalent of a conniption fit.
I think what's left and subject to trial is to what extent, if any, Trump should be 'disgorged' of his fraud enabled profits. The judge invalidated the business certificates for Trump's companies in NY but I'm not sure, practically speaking, what the fall out from that will be.
Also noteworthy is that Trump has sued this particular judge for supposedly ignoring an appellate ruling. It's a pretty standard play in his playbook and I think he has sued all the judges in his cases so far for something or other.
I thought Christopher Kise was supposed to be some sort of miracle lawyer. I guess no matter how good the lawyer's reputation is there is only so much the lawyer can do to put lipstick on a pig of a case. Using the same arguments that lost twice in the same case is probably the result of two things...1) there is nothing to argue with and 2) the lawyer can't convince the client to concede and seek a settlement outside of court. The fraud was just so obvious what could they say? They didn't really defend it so they danced all around instead arguing about standing, disclaimers, etc. You could really tell the judge had had enough. Kise was out this morning saying the judge doesn't know what he is talking about. That's probably not gonna go over well either.
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Post by goldenvalley on Sept 29, 2023 21:05:21 GMT
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Post by jackd on Sept 29, 2023 21:26:51 GMT
I doubt that Trump's phone call, by itself, is going to be sufficient to convict him. The claim, of course, is likely to be he wanted the ballots scrutinized "more carefully" for fraud or miscount. I'm guessing there's more.
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Post by indy on Sept 30, 2023 14:47:46 GMT
Yeah, I don't think the phone call in isolation would get him convicted of anything either.
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Post by goldenvalley on Oct 5, 2023 20:23:07 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Oct 16, 2023 15:44:19 GMT
The "gag order" hearing in the 1/6 case is going on now. Trump's lawyer is smart and a good performer which is important in a defense lawyer. Yet I have to wonder how he sleeps at night...
The last phrase...describes his client's proclivities. What it has to do with any gag order escapes me. Yet with a straight face and a flourish he's projecting it onto someone not involved in the case. Maybe he'll be one of the lucky one or two Trump lawyers that will get paid most of his fees...
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Post by goldenvalley on Oct 16, 2023 16:36:19 GMT
The order came down. Seems in line with what the judge in the New York State case did.
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Post by goldenvalley on Oct 16, 2023 22:31:09 GMT
Out of his mouth...and the crowd goes wild! But does Trump realize they are cheering for him to go to jail to save democracy, the same thing that people who support the other party are hoping for? Come to think of it, does the crowd realize how their cheering can be interpreted?
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Post by Bact PhD on Oct 19, 2023 15:03:06 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Oct 19, 2023 15:56:59 GMT
I'm hoping she is going to testify or has turned over evidence against Giuliani. Otherwise the sentence seems pretty weak. I seem to recall someone actually employed in the elections office in Coffee County was working with them. That's a person who should see jail time...the job is to keep elections secure. Turning equipment over for "inspection" by private "auditors" when not directed to by legal means is a dereliction of the job.
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Post by indy on Oct 20, 2023 2:39:50 GMT
I don't think they made this kind of a lenient deal with her strictly over the elections office stuff. It would be pretty disappointing if they did. The only way it makes sense to me is if she has information to offer about the other counts against other bigger fish, namely Trump and Giuliani.
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Post by Bact PhD on Oct 20, 2023 17:02:02 GMT
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Post by goldenvalley on Oct 20, 2023 18:48:29 GMT
There was a lot of complaining about the Georgia indictment being not important compared to the federal indictments back when it was filed. Yet the Georgia indictment actually laid out the whole plot to overturn the result of the 2020 presidential election in a way that the 1/6 indictment did not. And now we see at least one of the unnamed co-conspirators (Powell probably) pleading guilty to her part of the overall plot in the Georgia case and giving a statement and probably written evidence that can be used in the federal case. You can bet she'll be subpoenaed to testify in that case. Chesebro perhaps too. I don't specifically recall if he was an unnamed co-conspirator in the federal indictment. Two pieces have fallen into place without the Special Counsel having to treat these two as defendants from the get go. Could be another superseding indictment but I suspect the evidence they can give is more valuable than a conviction on a federal charge. ETA: Having said that I do feel a twinge of sympathy for the stupid schlubs that showed up on 1/6 because their president asked them to and are now serving time. It's only a twinge though. ETA 2.0: I'm done feeling the twinge of sympathy. These folks didn't have to go to DC on 1/6. They chose to believe what seemed unbelievable to most of us. They spent their own money to go. Plus, don't they know that if you lie down with dogs you can get fleas from them? The mob bosses always do better than the underlings.
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