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Post by Rue Bella on Aug 14, 2024 14:27:02 GMT
(oops... ) When I said "Jan 6", that was my shorthand for all Trumpian election fraud attempts, not just violence - which seems unlikely since Mr Trump is not currently in office. I've seen/heard many references to potential GOP funny business the past few days. Hopefully the 'good guys' are not just sitting on their hands, and are also preparing for all possibilities (whatever those might be). If Harris wins, it had better be by a very large margin. Less likely for individuals to tamper with things if the threat of jail time is a greater possibility. Elections used to be perceived as generally fair. Sadly something like 70% of GOP still believe Trump won in 2020! Thanks for nothing, Donald. |
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Post by indy on Aug 14, 2024 16:26:26 GMT
Of course the GOP will try their shenanigans but they face much more significant headwinds this cycle. Fox had to pay a ton of money, lawyers have lost their licenses and/or have been fined, election officials are going to jail (Tina Peters will be sentenced to something like 8 years according to the consensus), fake electors have been indicted, and even the ex-president is caught up in the infinitely slowly turning cog that is the justice system. The Federal government is in Democratic hands. The national democratic party will have preparations in place for the assault. Finally, most of the states that will matter (be close) have either Democratic Governors or Democratic Secretaries of States or both. I think Georgia is the only state that has both in the hands of the GOP.
Yes, they will try but it is a real long shot.
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Post by Rue Bella on Aug 15, 2024 16:16:04 GMT
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Post by indy on Aug 15, 2024 17:55:14 GMT
Gotta say, really liking their spunk.
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Post by andydp on Aug 15, 2024 20:20:06 GMT
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Post by indy on Aug 17, 2024 20:10:08 GMT
(Thanks Indy. That was re-assuring.)
More evidence they aren't going to be caught flatfooted...
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Post by indy on Aug 17, 2024 20:18:55 GMT
I also forgot to mention previously that they have also passed legislation that 1) makes it clear the vice president’s role in overseeing the electoral result certification in Congress is strictly ceremonial, 2) prevents efforts to pass along fake electors to Congress, and 3) raises the number of house or senate member required to object to one-fifth of the membership. www.collins.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/one-pager_on_electoral_count_reform_act.pdf |
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Post by andydp on Aug 18, 2024 16:35:57 GMT
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Post by Rue Bella on Aug 19, 2024 14:43:04 GMT
Vance is just another political shape-shifter. Like Lindsay and others, he will merely say anything that puts his own interests in the best possible position for the future. Lindsay was never a friend of McCain, he just hooked onto The Maverick like any other parasite. Vance was never a 'never Trumper'. He just said such things because he thought those words would carry him further at the time. At the moment, he's just trying to set himself up as a future commentator on Fox.
As for Trump, he is a one-trick pony... he has a talent for it, and it's worked. He hit just the right vein of a great many dissatisfied voters. And he had the perfect opponent in Hillary, who already had a significant, perceived, negative image. The emails, Benghazii, etc. He and his team played it just right, and barely squeaked through.
But 8 years later, Trump still has just the same one gear. Over time he's not only gotten older and mentally declined, but he himself is less enthusiastic. He would rather play golf. He has nothing new to present. Verbally, he's trying to ramp up his rhetoric while rambling longer, but it's not working as he sees things slipping away. "Sadly", he's committed the greatest sin - he's gotten boring. Low-level campaigning might have been an OK strategy to get past Biden, but there are 2 new likable kids on the block. Add to that, not only has be been shot at, but he's also waiting to be sentenced...
They will escalate somehow. Not sure how. But Trump may not be sharp enough to carry it off this time.
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 20, 2024 14:55:07 GMT
Vance is just another political shape-shifter. Like Lindsay and others, he will merely say anything that puts his own interests in the best possible position for the future. Lindsay was never a friend of McCain, he just hooked onto The Maverick like any other parasite. Vance was never a 'never Trumper'. He just said such things because he thought those words would carry him further at the time. At the moment, he's just trying to set himself up as a future commentator on Fox. As for Trump, he is a one-trick pony... he has a talent for it, and it's worked. He hit just the right vein of a great many dissatisfied voters. And he had the perfect opponent in Hillary, who already had a significant, perceived, negative image. The emails, Benghazii, etc. He and his team played it just right, and barely squeaked through. But 8 years later, Trump still has just the same one gear. Over time he's not only gotten older and mentally declined, but he himself is less enthusiastic. He would rather play golf. He has nothing new to present. Verbally, he's trying to ramp up his rhetoric while rambling longer, but it's not working as he sees things slipping away. "Sadly", he's committed the greatest sin - he's gotten boring. Low-level campaigning might have been an OK strategy to get past Biden, but there are 2 new likable kids on the block. Add to that, not only has be been shot at, but he's also waiting to be sentenced... They will escalate somehow. Not sure how. But Trump may not be sharp enough to carry it off this time. Vance reminds me of Ted Cruz...clearly opportunistic and thinking they are smart enough and eloquent enough to hide the opportunistic natures. However, Vance actually seems to believe his sort of incel philosophy towards women. Cruz just believes in himself. Trump had the energy of the old style insult comics. |
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Post by Rue Bella on Aug 20, 2024 23:01:19 GMT
Yes. Cruz was another I had in mind. Another on the other side is Michael Cohen, Trump's former fixer. Now he has 'religion', of course, but if he had not been pushed aside, or gone to prison (however the bond was broken), he'd probably still be working for Trump. Speaking of energy, I saw a bit of Trump speaking today. Not sure what or where it was - there seemed to be no crowd, and he was standing in front of 2 police (as props). He was even more low energy than yesterday. What speakers are saying about him at the dem convention seems to really upset him. He was so flat, both mentally and physically. And this was only after day 1. Obama;s speech tonight might just push him over the edge.  |
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 21, 2024 1:40:11 GMT
I usually don't watch conventions...speeches droning on and the most excruciating part is the roll call of states casting their delegate votes. My husband had the roll call on and wow it was like this:
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Post by indy on Aug 21, 2024 12:41:50 GMT
Yeah, that was the best roll call ever. Connecting the songs to the state was just a little bit of extra fun. Got a number of them but a lot of them were over my cultural-awareness head. At least The Illinois one was easy for me. Filling up both the RNC and DNC arenas on the same night was kind of a masterstroke. That ought to trigger Trump I imagine.
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Post by Rue Bella on Aug 21, 2024 23:16:57 GMT
I didn't see the roll call, but I did catch the Emhoff, and both Obama speeches. I enjoyed them all. Trump said today their comments regarding him were too personal, lol. I'll watch some tonight, until I get bored. As a kid, I remember watching open conventions when the nominees were not known beforehand. Very exciting. I doubt one of those will ever happen again. edit: Thank heavens, indy, you changed your avatar. I was close to putting you on 'ignore' so I would not have to look at Trump's face. |
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 22, 2024 5:21:44 GMT
edit: Thank heavens, indy , you changed your avatar. I was close to putting you on 'ignore' so I would not have to look at Trump's face. +1000 A thousand thanks from me too even though I thought...ah Trump's glory days when he thought he looked like a tough mafia dude in his mugshot. |
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 22, 2024 5:24:51 GMT
The stage craft at the convention this evening was really good...all those Coach Walz signs held by the audience as he spoke...the state champ football team present. Certainly set a mood that was supportive of him. As a raised in a small town person myself, it certainly struck a chord in me. Wonder how it hit the rest of the US.
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Post by Rue Bella on Aug 22, 2024 22:41:15 GMT
The reaction to the convention seems to be pretty good. But then I don't watch right-wing sites, so who really knows. Sad to think this is still thought to be a close election.
There is a rumor about a surprise guest today. Probably some celebrity singer. But it sure would be nice if it were someone like W. But he never would - no future Bush would ever be successful running again.
I saw a brief snippet of Trump speaking, I think, somewhere along the southern border. He looked all bleached out standing in the full sun. And frankly made no sense as he just rambled along from topic to topic, no pauses, 'the perfect wall', congo prisoners, WWIII, trying to frighten anyone willing to listen. Sigh.
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Post by indy on Aug 22, 2024 23:33:30 GMT
Sorry 'bout the avatar. Didn't realize it was so annoying; I just considered it a kind of jolting reminder of just how crazy electoral politics can be. When you think you've seen it all...you haven't.
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 23, 2024 0:31:14 GMT
When you think you've seen it all...you haven't. Too true. But sadly there a lot of people that seem to think that crazy electoral politics is normal. I look at my daughter in law who is not a USAian. She first lived in the US as an AFS student in 2015-2016 and then moved back here in 2019 just in time for the next scheduled presidential election. I keep telling her that elections are not always this way. Tell my own kids that too. No wonder the "yutes" are tuned out of politics. |
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Post by Rue Bella on Aug 23, 2024 3:20:50 GMT
This seemed like a successful convention. Hope they get both a nice bump in the polls, as well as lots of donations.
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Post by Rue Bella on Aug 23, 2024 6:11:50 GMT
Apparently Kamala's speech triggered him. He was posting, by one account, every 30 seconds when it was over. He also called into Fox, non-stop, excited ranting and raving his usual. And when they were able to get rid of him, he then called into NewsMax and continued...
The man is not well. He is frantic. In a normal family, his kids would step in. I don't like him, but it is sad to see anyone in that state of being. Maybe he should call Matthew Perry's doctor and get something to calm himself down.
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Post by indy on Aug 23, 2024 12:55:24 GMT
Gotta say, I was never much of a Biden fan. I didn't like it when Obama selected him and I didn't like it when he decided to run for President. 4 years later and he may have saved the nation from Trump...twice. Oh boy, was I wrong.
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Post by goldenvalley on Aug 23, 2024 14:10:04 GMT
Gotta say, I was never much of a Biden fan. I didn't like it when Obama selected him and I didn't like it when he decided to run for President. 4 years later and he may have saved the nation from Trump...twice. Oh boy, was I wrong. We've all been sort of indoctrinated in the Great Man theory which holds that unique and talented men are the leaders that make things happen. In reality times make the man. That happened with Biden. It certainly is happening with Harris. I thought she was an abysmal candidate in 2020 yet the times required Biden to reach out to young more diverse voters so he chose her as VP running mate. Now times have collided to make her the presidential nominee. Who da thunk it? |
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Post by Bact PhD on Aug 23, 2024 18:44:52 GMT
When you think you've seen it all...you haven't. Too true. But sadly there a lot of people that seem to think that crazy electoral politics is normal. I look at my daughter in law who is not a USAian. She first lived in the US as an AFS student in 2015-2016 and then moved back here in 2019 just in time for the next scheduled presidential election. I keep telling her that elections are not always this way. Tell my own kids that too. No wonder the "yutes" are tuned out of politics. Consider this: As far as our kids, who came of age in the Tea Party heyday (Dear Daughter) and barely remember electoral politics much before DJT came down the escalator (Dear Son), AND get the lion’s share of their information from social media, are concerned electoral politics is just crazies screaming at each other. Dear Son in particular is trying to wrap his head around actual issues, but hears more about personalities and hype. He *did*, along with Chem PhD, sit through last night’s speech. |
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Post by indy on Aug 23, 2024 20:25:00 GMT
Never seen two political people quite as deserving of each other as Kennedy Jr. and Trump. They seem to share speechwriters.
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